hello. what is the liberal / conservative ratio here?

I didn't vote for Obama in 2008. . .in fact, I didn't vote for ANYONE, as I wasn't a US Citizen then, although I had lived in the US for most of 36 years.
But... my determination to vote for Obama THIS TIME AROUND was so strong that I actually went through the process of becoming an US citizen (on March 26, 2012) so that I can register to vote.

I will be registering as an Independent, because I do not like to feel that I owe allegiance to any party. . .I do NOT like to follow party line and give up my ability to think and to make independent decisions.
But, I will without ANY doubt vote for President Obama!

In fact, the obsessive attempts to demonize our President over the last 4 years, and the constant focus on "making him fail" (when in fact, those attempts to make Obama fail were destructive for our country and SLOWED the recovery) have been the main motivators in my decision to vote for Obama.

I think it is unconscionable that this man was attacked non-stop even BEFORE January 2009, and that EVERYTHING he does (or doesn't do!) is spinned to look like a failure or turned to ridicule.

I find it ridiculous that people who pretend to love their country didn't get "behind" their president in a time of need. . .need brought about by the LAST Republican administration!

The hypocrisy, the lack of fairness, the hatred, the stupidity of too many people in this country have made the job of this ONE MAN, our President, legally elected, and respected by the rest of the world, much more difficult than it should have been. Where I am concerned, those who are today wrapping themselves in a flag, and carrying a cross, and calling themselves PATRIOTS have acted as traitors toward the country they claim to love so much.

And I will NOT reward their stupidity and hypocrisy by participating in electing a straw man who will say and do anything to get the most extreme dummies in this nation to elect him. . .so that he can achieve his last goal of living in the White House for 4 years! Romney has NONE Of the qualifications of integrity, honesty and courage that are needed to earn the respect of the world. . .and, even if 250 years ago, we could live mostly isolated from the rest of the world, today's global economy doesn't allow us to "elect" someone just because he is not the current President and he will say anything his current audience wants to hear!

 

I'm glad you were able to register to vote this time around Sadanie. Don't be too disappointed if your guy doesn't win though

I actually think Obama has gotten off with hardly a bloody nose given the current state of things. Obama is a great person who believes deeply in his cause. Unfortunately we need jobs more than anything right now and the cause Obama is fighting for is blocking business and punishing job creators.

Is it "honest" to go on TV and get mad at Apple for building a factory overseas and vow to punish businesses that don't hire here at home with additional taxes and at the same time tell Apple "no" when they ask to build a factory here? Apple is willing to pay more for labor and really wants to build a bunch of factories but the Obama administration says, "no" Apple is willing to pay massive fees and comply with any and all building codes, red tape, environmental concerns and the Obama administration says, "No"

That to me is the epitome of dishonesty. Obama is demonizing the corporations that have the power to create jobs and trying to turn the uneducated public against them. You would be hard pressed to make the case that 30+ million americans are out of work because of corporations.

 

Welcome to the forum!

This forum seems to have a lot of libertarians and conservatives (I am one myself). There are also a lot of liberals. Probably a bit more cons, but you will find lots of different viewpoints.

 

I couldn't care less about whether someone like you considers me a liar or not. I have nothing to prove to you. Honest people usually give pause to dishonest people, so it makes sense.

 

Hello,

the answer is too much liberals and too few conservatives.

Welcome here.

 

Agreed Ostap!! We need more real Americans like you, here at this forum!!

 

This is always the answer!

 

I voted for Obama and I absolutely will again. There are four supreme court justices born in the 1930's. Giving any goofy republican the possible opportunity to appoint any of their replacements is a scary thought for me.

 

On facebook I describe my political views as "cosmopolitan humanitarian independent." I've never called myself conservative. I might call myself a liberal sometimes, however I often disagree with liberals.

 

What is a very scary thought is Obama appointing any more justices. Kagan and Sortomayor are an absolute freaking joke.

Anybody that thinks Obamacare is Constitutional should not be serving in any courtroom. Their job is supposed to be to uphold the Constitution... not uphold partisan politics.

 

Is it because they aren't old dusty white Christian males deep in the pockets of corporations?

 

well.... I guess we have different opinions about a lot of things, you and I.

 

What does their skin color have to do with anything?

I want justices who are upholding the Constitution. Not ones who view it as a living document. If you want Obamacare, fine, have at it, you must first amend the Constitution.

 

We get it. Some people want strict constructionists, some don't. YOU do... I don't. If your side wins, then your guy gets to pick. If we win, Obama gets to pick.

 

Why would you care? You don't live here.

 

Witness the seething hatred that progressive socialists have for 1) whites 2) males 3) Christians 4) businesses.

 

Because we might decide to come back and live closer to grandchildren at some point in the future.

 

Really? There's fifty conservatives to every one liberal on here! A handful whom post 100 posts a day with an identical message.

I honestly don't know why you guys just want to run off the liberals (trust me...there's one mod here who'd love to see me gone). You're (collective) scared to death of someone coming here posting intelligent, cohesive arguments shooting down the hysteria of the right through sourcing of claims and intelligent discourse.

Then when the right's handed their ass to them on a platter (like in the now-defunct duh gay children being more advanced thread) the mods remove the thread so it doesn't look bad to their fellow cons!

Funny thing...lil Mike left my forum because he didn't like the liberals "patting each other on the back" and came over here to do exactly the same thing with his fellow conservatives!!!!

If you guys want to be like the monkeys at the zoo picking fleas off each other's heads and munching them, fine. Go for it.

I said long ago on my forum that I don't expect someone I'm in a debate with to suddenly have an epiphany and say "Gosh. You're right!" But God(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), can't y'all at least show a (*)(*)(*)(*)in' semblance of intelligence around here?

I'm gone. Anyone that would like to discuss politics and entertainment like adults, there's a link to my forum below.

 

Me too!! I think it is a great idea to govern the country strictly based on a document written to govern an 18th century agrarian society, and written by a collection of misogynistic, racist, elitist, men who were often slave-owners. I legitimately can't think of a more logical way of going about things!!

 

I am a white male who doesn't hate Christians or businesses. I am almost not a sycophant for the wealthy, who is willing to lick their boots, nor to have them walk all over me. Businesses in and of themselves have no moral connotation. However, they ARE motivated by only one incentive, and that is profit making. That is again, a morally neutral endeavor. The question is how a business goes about making it's profits, and since businesses are made up of a collection of people, the morality or immorality of a businesses actions depends entirely on the people running the businesses.

PS. When right wingers talk about people on the left hating business, what they seem to mean is some people want businesses to be regulated so their profit making doesn't lead to detrimental or immoral behavior, and that businesses should pay marginally higher tax rates(which I don't agree with by the way). Only in the bizzaro world of right wingers, could that ever be described as a seething hatred.

 

The judicial branch is supposed to be non-partisan.

 

who said anything about PARTISAN? The most liberal minded living document court of the past century and a half was Earl Warren's... Earl Warren, republican governor of California, Dewey's running mate in '48. There is nothing partisan about being something other than a strict constructionist.

 

Frodly,

I do not ask some particular posters about their citizenships.

 

If you count liberal conservatives too than you are right, but I'm talking about the True Conservatives and we are here a small minority.

 

You are not in the minority when conservatives far out number liberals on this forum.