The End is Nigh says 3 million americans .

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  1. Marlowe

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    Many years ago - (sigh) - when I worked / got married /lived in London , we couldnt afford foreign honeymoon + stayed at home .(sigh again )
    I'd like to believe we experienced "earthquakes " in our London flat - every night, (without viagra- it wasnt invented then ) not long now when I'll need a Zimmerframe .

    Ah ! those were the days (+ nights) .


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  2. snakestretcher

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    Yep, those might have been the nights. I'm so old now I'm having trouble remembering!
     
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    Well, I'm not sure it's just America.

    But being afraid of the future isn't really sensible is it?

    It's like people who smoke weed, etc.- so afraid that the future (the next few hours) holds such horrors (lack of ability to stimulate oneself with only his own thinking), that they must light up and get through another few hours of horror. :)

    Actually, that's the only thing REALLY wrong with dope. -it's the assumption that one's life isn't good enough without it.
     
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    gchamblee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    to think that because some are scared it means America in general is scared is about as absurd as thinking that because some Muslims blow people up then all Muslims must be a threat. hypocritical much?
     
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    gchamblee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i have a gun easily reachable from my bed without me having to make much noise to reach it. i never think about it. i dont obsess over it. im not fascinated with it. it is simply there if i ever need it, until that time may or may not come it never enters my mind. is just like my gal bladder. i dont think about it, i dont worry about it and im not fascinated with it, but it is there for when it is needed. i know it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy to portray americans as gun toting maniacs that are insecure and terrified of whatever, but it simply isnt true for the general population.
     
  6. GeneralZod

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    No i was being sarcastic. Actually my favourite topic on this forum is "Gun deaths in america 2012"

    A completly surreal experience of a brit (whose intelligence is wasted on this forum) using academic datasets vs pro gun american forum members, who a few have taken on the challenge. It is fascinating reading.
     
  7. GeneralZod

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    gh,

    It is interesting though, how you proved my point to which i was refering to in the other thread.

    A complete over reaction to such a sarcastic comment. Flying the usa flag and wanting to fight over it. All because of questioning gun views. Americans are hugely sensative on this forum or maybe in general.
     
  8. Iolo

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    The Americans, especially the right-wing crazies, do seem to be scared ****less (I censor myself to save time) by life in the world, so they sneak around with guns to assassinate people. Lucky they all have that clear yellow streak up the back, or they'd certainly miss, civilian clowns.
     
  9. talonlm

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    Good thing the United States is a representative republic, then.

    Guess the Egyptians, Libyans, Syrians and the rest who have rebelled against their tyrannical governments didn't buy that line of reasoning, huh?

    Lenin and Trotsky and Marx and the rest—they had their day in the sun. They had their own superpower, tested and forged in the fires of World War Two. They thrived for decades. And then they failed. Russia is now a pale shadow of what Soviet Russia once was. We’re still here. Socialism failed. I don’t feel the answer is to our problems run around and steal from the rich. The answer for my nation is to regain a sense of responsbility--for one's self, one's family, one's community and one's nation.

    You've made enormous assumptions about me, someone you don’t know, and about my motivations, something else you don’t know. You’ve called me both a ‘wolf’ and a ‘flea’ and indicated you feel I am doomed to failure. That’s your opinion. I’ve no intention of changing it. I would, however, point out you’re make pretty broad judgments without any supporting information, while my decisions are based on hard earned experience (a lot of hurricanes and not a lot of government response to the results of said hurricanes). Others can decide how they feel about that.

    Lastly, "rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." If you don't want to discuss a subject like an adult, don't.
     
  10. Iolo

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    It is a plutocracy in which you can choose between people who support the plutocracy. Congratulations, but why bother? Just tug your forelock and say 'Yassuh, massuh'.

    I'm sure that means something to you, but what I can't imagine. Do you think your puppet governments were good or bad, and what has this to do with self-sufficiency fantasies?

    Childish propaganda. Marx died in London, and all he'd seen was the overthrow of the Commune, with the accompanying mass-murders. Lenin saw the destruction of the Russian working-class by the murderous capitalist intervention which set up state capitalism, and Trotsky was murdered in Mexico by the State capitalists. Socialism lasted till about 1920 at best, as you'd know if you hadn't been brainwashed by your cold-war government. You can't steal from the rich, child: all they own is stolen from us, and we'll take it back. You are silly: what responsibility is there in being a brainwashed serf?

    I speak as I find, kid, and don't particularly intend to be rude. If you try to exist in opposition to the plutocrats they will squash you; if you try to pretend they are not there they will squash you. You expect a government dominated by the very rich to care about you when there are hurricanes? They will say a prayer, if you are in luck, and go abroad on holiday. If you want a government that cares about you, get one that really represents you and stop talking bilge about a 'representative republic'. Yours is one of the various responses to class dominance that dodges the real issue, and just listening to Fox and doing nothing much is not 'hard earned'experience but passivity. And no, I don't know you, other than what you write. I'm a lot older than you, a lot wiser and a lot more experienced, so I'll discuss the subject the way it comes. What else is there to do?
     
  11. Wolf Ritter

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    Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NAB)

    "Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." (Matthew 24:29-35 NAB)

    Jesus said the end times would come within the lifetime of the generation who were alive at the time of his death, it didn't.
     
  12. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Interesting post. Expand it a bit. I think they get round that by saying well, what's time to God, or something similar. The end of things will come for each of us without our fussing about it, whatever.
     
  13. Wolf Ritter

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    There's nothing to really expand on. Jesus set a definite date, that being within the lifetime of his followers who were alive then. It did not come to pass. The only options we're left with is Jesus sinned and lied which he should be incapable of or it's all a farce. This isn't surprising given the Bible is completely contradictory on the matter.

    Here's a good lecture on it, it's only about an hour long.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE[/ame]
     
  14. Iolo

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    Ta. If it's that long I'll come back to it.
     
  15. Wolf Ritter

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    Let me summarize:

    We have no evidence of Jesus outside of the gospels which are clear forgeries given the contradictory nature of the Gospels, which can't even agree on the names of the apostles. The closest contemporary source on JEsus we get from apologists is Flavius Josephus (c.36-100), a reluctant Jewish commander against the Romans is the Jewish Wars of the early 60s who then became a Roman.

    In Volume 18, Chapter 3 The Antiquities of the Jews Flavius writes about the things Pilate forced upon the Jews, the vast majority of the chapter is dreary and gloomy and then all of a sudden:

    'Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day'

    He spends more time detailing a sex scandal not but a paragraph later than on the so-called messiah.

    Why would an Orthodox Jew refer to him as the messiah? And why is he referring to them as the tribe of Christians? The Christians didn't even reach the size to be referred to as a tribe until the mid 2nd Century and the phrase 'Christian' didn't even come about until the 2nd Century. Then there's the use of the term 'gentile', Josephus' writings were for Roman audiences and he never uses the term before or after, if he refers to non-Jews he describes them as Greeks or Syrians or what have you. It's also strange that Flavius never mentions any other exploits of Jesus like the casting out of the moneychangers when he goes into great details writing whole chapters on other failed messiahs like John the Baptist, Judas of Galilee, Theodis the Magician, and another messiah called 'The Egyptian'. It's completely out of place and a very obvious forgery added in the medieval ages.
     
  16. Jango

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    I don't mean to offend, so if I do, I apologize in advance, but have you guys ever considered that religion, in most senses, is just a form of population control? I mean, from the dawn of man, it has been re-invented countless times. It just seems to be a guideline of how to be a 'good person', with all of the extra promises that come after death being an incentive to be a 'good person'.
     
  17. talonlm

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    Really? Who's 'puppet' is Syria? How about Libya? Two nations not formerly noted as being overly supportive of US policy?


    Self sufficiency is up to the individual, his wits, and his will. You want to be a servant of your government with no alternative, go ahead. Your choice. I may never pull it off, but I will at least try.


    Then why the 'eat the rich' bit in your last post? The people rising up against the rich and taking what the rich have? You have a very contradictory ideology.

    This from the guy who just spent is him ridiculing self-sufficiency. And you are still making assumptions.


    Know your audience, then. The road to Hell, after all, is paved with 'intentions.'

    Where did I say I opposed the government? I said I don't think they're capable of taking care of the needs of this community in a time of a serious environmental crisis or any serious societal breakdown.

    Squash me? For what? Buying a generator? Speaking out because I don't like my current president? What kind of world do you live in over there? Where did you learn about the US?


    If the government was so dedicated to the rich, there wouldn't be a welfare class. As for the hurricane part, we're back to preparing. Judging by your previous postings, I don't really think you know what you're talking about. You seem more intent on stirring up a fight rather than a debate. And little of what you say seems to have anything to do with the subject's topic.



    Frankly, what do you know about it?

    Older, perhaps. Wiser? Wise men I know rarely make so many assumptions. I'll disagree on that one. As for experience, I don't know where you've been, but, judging by the attitude you display here, it must suck to be where you are.

    As for ‘passivity,’ I know where I stand, what I’ve done, and where I intend to go. And I’ve no need to prove anything you.
     
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    Time is what God and the Big Bang created to allow us (temporal beings) to exist even though intuitive time does not exist at all. (Physicists work with two kinds of time represented in formula as an upper case T or a lower case t). As you point out time is of no consequence to as supernatural being, however when this SN being creates a time dependent universe it becomes a concern.


    reva
     
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    What do you mean religion has been reinvented? Without religion there would be no civilization, or if it did emerge it would be in slow motion! Without religion where would Egypt be? The Sumerians? Religion was a huge catalyst for chemistry astronomer and all the sciences. Really! The hate of religion is like putting blinders and ear plugs in those that can not see past lies and anti christian propaganda. I am often amused how successful it is, but saddened at the same time! If not for religion (all forms) we would still be living in trees, or at best living at mud huts, as opposed to the Pyramids or the great cathedrals, or the Juggernauts and other magnificent architecture that would not exist if not for religion! Think about it. What has atheism given us? What structure in the ancient past or today has atheism given the world?

    reva
     
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    But the LEFT and the Christian haters will of course lump all Christians into this category.

    It is scriptural that …2 Peter 3:10
    "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare."

    No ones knows and anyone who says they do…is not standing on the Word.

    Now if these people say that times will get bad and the dollar collapses etc etc….then fish in the pool is not a bad idea….nor is being prepared with a lot of ammunition.
     
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    I hope that we can all learn how to grow our own vegetables in case.
     
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    Well, from one civilization to the next, there is a different religion, or no religion at all in some circumstances in present day models. It has always been that way. Different religions or no religion at all. The Gods that are prayed too have been changed throughout the ages. That's what I mean by re-invented.

    Religion helps keep civilization stable, but the state was the creator of civilization.

    Now, if you had phrased that "the blind hatred of religion is...", then yes, I would agree, but if a person were to have a hatred for an ideology, anything really, and it were based in pure reasoning, then there wouldn't be anything wrong with that hatred, would there? But don't assume that I hate religion. I don't. I don't personally find any comfort or solace in it, but I also don't mock or belittle that of which billions of people need and love so compassionately. I was merely asking a philosophical question, is all.

    That'd be the state again.

    This is a complex question. I'm not about to start a long back-and-forth debate over the pros and cons of an ideology that I'm not even affiliated with.
     
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    Not sure why you are referencing global warming? I am simply pointing out that London is not going to suffer a major earthquake and offering some reason for that. A lot of people trawl the web and read all sorts of rubbish that gives them a scare. Any experts in any field should inform them of the reality. It is the same with things such as asteroid hit and other perceived threats - even crime. There are a lot of people, particularly in the UK and i believe in the USA that are scared to let their children play outside because they beleive the threat of child abduction is now so great. Reality is that it stastically lower than when they were growing up themselves.
     
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    Only because there is a lot of anti-science on here and one is bound to wonder. What you say is perfectly true and I hope people listen.
     
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    What if a god, simply gave up on us due to a lack of faith? It could be claimed that Man preferred to be a loyal subject of the Animal Kingdom, instead of children of a god.
     

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