...And Yes, Barack Obama is a Marxist

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  1. Mr_Truth

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    From a CONSERVATIVE source:

    Republican Socialism

    Posted by Doug Bandow on 10/27/10 10:34 AM


    Republicans are against government spending. Except when they are for it.

    Justin Logan of the Cato Institute recently made this point:

    There's been a lot of talk on the right in recent months about President Obama's "socialist" policies. While much of that talk seems overheated, so does the furious pushback from the left. Would President Obama's domestic policies really be so out of step in what in Europe would be called a "Social Democratic" party? I don't think so. But for understandable Hartzian reasons, lots of American liberals seem to get squeamish about allegations of socialism.

    However, Republicans may want to examine the plank in their own eyes before casting aspersions on the one in the eyes of Democrats. Military Keynesianism has long been a centerpiece in the Republican platform, and it still is.

    If government spending inefficiently diverts money from the productive private sector, it does so whether the end result is public housing or advanced submarines. The latter may be necessary for America's defense, but then that is the reason, and the only reason, to spend money on the military. Not because building unnecessary tanks "creates jobs."

    The Tea Party movement can do much to improve American politics. One of its most important tasks is simply to hold both major parties to account for their inconsistencies and hypocrisies. And "military Keynesianism" is a good place to start.



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    Obama is the master of spin, but he needs the help of the MSM to pull it off. If he was a christian he could thank god for them, but since he is not, he must be convinced that he is clever. Only the truly stupid will vote for his incompetent clueless ass this time.
     
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    Well, coming from you, Neverthink, that is a testimonial! :)
     
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    Yeah, whatever. You got nothing. These is the last few keystrokes I'll waste on making a response...
     
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    Oh Super! Are they taking you away tonight or tomorrow? :)
     
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    Obamacare doesn't nationalize healthcare. We don't have government owned healthcare besides the VA. It's all still privatly owned.

    The government doesn't control the means of production at hospitals, facilities, or provider offices. Even if we had a single payor system...the government wouldn't own the hospitals...they'd just be paying the bills.
     
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    Obama hasn't said he wants socialism.

    Obama hasn't proposed socialism.

    Yet righties seem to think he wants it.

    Then they predict he will implement socialism.

    This whole thing about socialism begins and ends in the minds of anti Obama Republicans
     
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    To use the word 'mind' loosely!
     
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    Can you do the left a favor? The right wing has been pulling the communist/socialist/marxist card for the last 80 to possibly 110 years. It's getting old now, and it doesn't work. Can you think of something new?
     
  10. Never Left

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    Here's the deal Goldie, what it does is mandate coverage, reduce reimbursment, forces consolidation of services i.e. less competition, and there is "commision" that assesses charges and viability and cost effectiveness of care i.e. "death panels". And the federal plan takes away from the states the ability to form their own care infrastructure, which is where it belongs. The 10th amendment irradicates this loser of a bill. But a supreme court that will call corporations a person will do anything. I hve no confidence.

    In my town alone, there have been to closing of at least seven private clinics and specuialty care clinics alone, and there will be more at the end of the year because of Soetorocare.
     
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    We will not, nor do we want any lessons from Europe in capitalism. And we would not turn to Fascism ever. That is a European trait. As it appears, your labor movement isn't doing all that well. Ours is rampant with Socialists and Marxists. We are trying to return to a sane and sensible government.
     
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    wrong again...naturaly
     
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    Wow, that's some real (*)(*)(*)(*)ing evidence there. He's been HIDING his REAL NAME! And Obama is actually KARL MARX!! Where's Orly when you need her???
     
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    Someone needs to teach you how money works; you seem to have done a pretty dismal job of managing your finances responsibly. So, yes, you have lessons to learn.
     
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    A person doesn't have to say he is shooting a bear, but when you see a gun in his hands aimed at a bear, you have a pretty good idea he isn't selling automobiles!
     
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    No it's not...Progressivism is just Progressivism.

    If someone wants government ownership of the means of production, and the outlawing of private property, and they start making the changes needed to implement it...that is marxism.

    Marxism isn't defined by events, it's defined by intent, and Obama has not exhibited intent to make the US a socialist nation.

    What makes you think Americans would put up with that if he did?

    I don't know any hard lefties who want the US to be socialist.
     
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    Did you fail math? marxism=110 years? Not by my math (Russian Revolution, 1917. How about the left and their race card...that must be pretty dog-eared by now.
     
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    The race card in the last 4 years is so well worn and over played that it may be nearly transparent by now.
     
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    We'll do just fine with a real statesman in office.
     
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    ...I'd settle for a real American...
     
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    No, I'm passing math right now. I'm saying to possibly 110 years, is because that places us at about 1900. The same time Theodore Roosevelt was taking office after the assination of President McKinley. I really should be saying 120 years, as it will place at about 1890, where socialism was rising in the west. Possilby, because until 1920, I don't see any name calling refering to socialism in history.
     
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    "Takeover"? How is a massive capital injection through the purchase of non-voting preferred stock a "takeover"? A takeover would imply some degree of control by the government.

    Which was not even a remotely marxist program. Marxist health care is universal single-payer healthcare, not a mandate to buy a private product. The marxist answer to healthcare is to put everyone on Medicare and use that purchasing power to drive the price down.

    The notion that a big handout to private insurers is a "marxist" program is ludicrous.

    He hasn't really done anything to redistribute income; he talks about it, but none of his actions cause income to be redistributed, so calling him a marxist on those grounds is somewhat silly. Maybe he's a theoretical marxist, but his actual governing ideology is firmly state capitalist.

    How does having a relationship with a marxist make a person a marxist? The President hasn't actually pursued any marxist policies.

    He also got a DSA endorsement, what's your point? They routinely endorse Democratic candidates who aren't socialists; when there are no actual socialists running.

    Yeah, presumably because he wanted a way to reach actual leftist voters; because he sure as hell wasn't going to attract them based on his record or policy proposals. Democrats do claim to be center-left, after all, and do pursue leftist voters.
     
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    More like the late 1840s for the serious organization of leftist parties. If we're referring to political successes by leftists in the west, the 1870s is a better time frame. Rightists have been criticizing "marxism" (or alternately, "marxians") essentially as soon as Marx started to make an impact.

    In the United States, socialism entered national politics in a serious way in the 1850s, and was very strongly opposed by the Democrats of the day (mainly because it was strongly correlated to anti-slavery activism).
     
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    Thats a riduculous and unsound anaology.

    Listen...all you righties talk about is feelings, and stuff you're afraid might happen.

    Doesn't the dictionary definition of the word, and objective evidence showing Obama hasn't espoused socialism mean anything?

    You guys need to come back down to Earth.
     
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    That was far different than what we are seeing now. Statist control of health care is statist control of our lives and economy. Energy policy favors the environazi's, market influences favor the winners picked by hisloserness that have failed in the real market, immigration policy favors the illegals in voter fraud and divisive politics. There is no end to the disaster that is president Soetoro.
     

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