Obama Administration's War Against The Second Amendment...

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  1. Gator Monroe

    Gator Monroe Banned

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    I'm building my 4th AR pattern Rifle (Retro XM16E1 circa 1966)
     
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    I'm going to say this again......I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GUN CONTROL.

    I draw the line at explosives, but I have a question....

    Have any of you, outside of military experience...ever had to shoot someone, or have you been assaulted by people you could have legally shot back at?

    I'm asking this because I have been shot at, and was hit once at the state fair when gangs started shooting back in the 80's. 99% of the people, armed or not, ran when the shooting started.

    Guns might make you feel safe, and they make me feel safe, but you better be sure you have the killer instinct if the main purpose of your guns is self protection

    And you better bear in mind...the vast majority of people who think they can shoot back and kill someone...don't have the balls.

    Something to think about
     
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    Yes ,I have "Returned Fire" in my lifetime . Been Shot through Thumb & Stabbed in Shoulder. :wtf:
     
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    When I was shot it was in the soft part of my forearm, right where a tattoo would go.

    I was stabbed too, in high school, in the front part of my upper thigh 4 times.

    There were stabbings where I grew up, and it never ceased to amaze me how much stabbings are not like they are in the movies. People in the movies get stabbed in the chest, or the back, or stomach.

    In the real life stabbings I've seen, the person always gets stabbed in some crazy place, like the upper thigh, or foot, or hands. Then stand there with blood on thier hands after realizing they got hit

    You must know what I mean if you were shot in the hand, and stabbed in the shoulder.
     
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    Kinda, and I have no doubt that I may incur one or both of those type injuries again in my remaining lifetime .
     
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    You should try to avoid that.

    I didn't think Oak Run had a lot of bad guys running around.
     
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    ROFLCOPTER ... That is Hilarious, my neiboring Subdivision is nic named "Deliverance" and the Volunteer Fire Department wont come in without a Sherriff Escort (My Subdivision is nic Named "The Hole" if you wanted to know that...
     
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    That explains that "purty mouth" avatar.

    I always thought anything north of Chico, and west of I-5 was pretty tame. Sounds like you may have a bit of that Humbolt county vibe.

    But at least you're probably in one of the last places where lefties can come after your guns.
     
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    No, it would give reason to investigate both the validity and the context of the quote in question.





    The issue with McDonald was giving the federal government (in effect) the right to dictate to the States how to write regulations. I believe it was the federal government once again overstepping their bounds. The case before them to consider was whether to apply the 'Due Process Clause' of the 14th Amendment to the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    How does supporting simple, minor, and Constitutional regulations somehow elevate into a "war on the Second Amendment"? Your conclusion does not follow from the facts.
     
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    Thank you for admitting your error.

    When the best someone can muster is "we'll see", then they have conceded the argument. Perhaps next time you will apply some critical thinking to your position before posting it.
     
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    That particular law was NOT gun registration. What the heck are you talking about? You make absolutely no sense.




    Citation? As far as I know the multiple sales limitation only applied to handguns and not long guns. Can you show the NICS clause that applies?



    I never said I was against all gun control. We have enough.[/quote]



    Nonsense.





    True, they don't obey laws that prohibit stealing, rape, arson, murder and slander. I guess we should just abolish ALL laws, eh?....... Wait.... is that a true measure of a law? Really? Throw out the Constitution and our Rule of Law to satisfy your mindless and unoriginal slogan?
     
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    Oak Run (Mountain Home) is one hour Northeast of Redding in Southern Cascades (Ultra Rural Eastern Shasta County) , My other home(CountryHome) is in Centerville/Old Shasta Area ( 4 Miles west of Redding)
     
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    Shasta County gives more CCW permits in one month than Los Angeles has given in 30 + Years .
     
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    You're using a flawed model. We don't dismiss new thoughts based on ideology here. This is America, friend. If a law is put forward that has support and you disagree with it based on factual evidence and not on bias, then you have a formed opinion based on critical thinking and can lobby your representatives or protest, march, write letters to the editor etc to persuade against the new legislation.
    Unfortunately, what YOU are proposing is to cry "ouch" before anyone has even poked ya'. Sorta like putting the cart before the horse.
     
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    Dan ct how many Gun Shows have you been to Lately ?:wtf:
     
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    I am convinced of my beliefs on those two SCOTUS justices. I admit no error, but realize there is nothing else to discuss on the matter.
     
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    The sales are reported in this case. The ATF will have all the information they need, and is akin to registration.

    It applies to long guns. NICS.

    What nonsense? I never said I was against all gun control.

    I never said throw out all regulations. There are plenty already. Implementing more will just affect law-abiding citizens. Do you really think gun bans, restrictions, etc. prevent crime? Come on.
     
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    Look at it as a preemptive strike. Much easier to retain freedoms than to get them back. Who's got the flawed model of thinking? You.
     
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    "Pre-emptive strike " ???

    More like "Pre-emptive fund-raising".
     
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    What are you getting at?
     
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    Ayuh,.... There's Nothing simple, or minor about Obo's War on the 2nd Amendment...

    Yer assumptions AVOID the Facts...
     
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    If you are referring to Supreme Court appointments, you may get mixed bag. One wonders if the ruling that the Second Amendment encompasses an individual right can only be construed as a “liberal” interpretation. Certainly, it is not a “conservative” view by any judicial standard. Consider this quote from former Chief Justice Warren Burger, who was probably the most conservative justice on the Supreme Court for the last 50 years:

    "If I were writing the Bill of Rights now there wouldn't be any such thing as the Second Amendment... This has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud', on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires."
    - Warren Burger, Parade Magazine (January 14, 1990).

    And, how about this statement by Judge Robert Bork, renowned constitutional scholar and foremost exponent of “originalism” in its interpretation:

    "[The] National Rifle Association is always arguing that the Second Amendment determines the right to bear arms. But I think it really is the people's right to bear arms in a militia. The NRA thinks it protects their right to have Teflon-coated bullets. But that's not the original understanding.”
    - Robert H. Bork, Distinguished Lecture Series, UC Irvine, (March14, 1989).

    As for Justice Scalia’s opinion in Heller, it could hardly be an “originalist” interpretation, witness the judicial gymnastics he did to bend and stretch the Second Amendment. Justice Scalia is a brilliant jurist; but he tends to be result oriented. (He determines the result, and then finds authority to support it; and if there is no authority, he invents it.)
     
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    How do you propose to guarantee the individual right then?
     
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    In my opinion, the Second Amendment is overused by gun lovers looking for protection for rights in private property, which may include Arms. Those rights usually secured by State Constitutions.

    From my understanding, the Second Amendment merely exempts a well regulated militia, from State gun control (laws) in favor of federal gun control as prescribed by our federal Congress.
     
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