The ineffectiveness of Ron Paul

Judging by the fact you brought up NAMBLA...yours too.

And somewhat creepy as well.


Anyway, back to the discussion...

 

Think whatever you want. You will anyway.

 

It would seem to me that the majority, are doing something terribly wrong, and my evidence is irrefutable -

See -

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Do you see?? stupidty on a mindnumbing scale.

Is it b/c the majority (both Republican and Democrat) endorses that stupidity that you go along?? It's easier to follow the crowd, than it is to stand firm on principle?? Anyone who doesn't go along with the majority is a "Paulbot"; or worse??

Those of us in the minority have no say in how our country is run, and haven't had a say in many, many decades. If we're all a bunch of nuts, what does it matter what we say?? Why is it important to any of you in the majority that you convince us that the course you have charted is hunky dory?? You're going to shout us down, steal our money, steal our freedom, and bomb the rest of the world b/c you feel like it - and there's absolutely nothing those of us in the minority can do to stop you. We certainly have no rule of law to turn to for protection.

This is your show Dan; it is you who supports positive/democratic government. Unfortunately, history provides some pretty gruesome lessons about how that is going to end. Obviously you haven't been exposed to those lessons from antiquity - hence, you are repeating them in glorious fashion.

 

Your random personal attack has been noted. How "mature" of you.

I think no such thing.

I never said that SiliconMagician said that Obama legalized drugs.

That's three lies you have engaged in. Lying about what I said is the first lie. Saying I think I know everything is the second lie. And you calling me a liar is the third lie. Why stop there? You're on a roll.

 

Ahhhh... Clever little bit of obfuscation there. You think you're off the hook for lying, because you phrased your sentence in a certain way.

I guess it depends on what your definition of is is, doesn't it Mr. Clinton?

 

I've obfuscated nothing. You just like to twist people's words to suit your agenda.
Arguing with you is a waste of time because you are a liar. An honorable person would apologize to me for the three lies you said about me.

But somehow I don't think you will apologize because you are not an honorable person. Not doing so won't change your credibility. I already know about your credibility, and so do others on this thread. We'll let them be the judge.

 

Oh boohoo... Did I step on hims nerve?

I'm not the one who lied, accusing somebody who didn't say Obama legalized drugs, of saying he legalizing drugs. That was you. Man up, and own it.

 

A prime example of your maturity.

You're fabricating again. You've already failed to show me where I said he said Obama legalized drugs. Which proves that you're full of (*)(*)(*)(*). Unsurprising.

 

He is just some ignorant troll who uses terms from twenty years ago.

He just comes on here to try and tick off people - definition of loser, IMO.

He also seems to think about young boys (he brought up NAMBLA earlier in the thread) from time to time...which is ever-so-slightly disturbing.

 

You refusal to examine a problem from all sides is obvious. You heard an opinion and locked into it. Sadly, its wrong.

You bring up the Debt clock. Did you RESEARCH IT??? NO, obviously.

4 years ago, both the Congress and the Legislature was in Republican control. The national debt at that time after 231 years of every party of government we've had, was at $8.7 TRILLION. Then Democrats took control of Congress, OUR SPENDING BODY, Now after just 4 more years of the now 235 years, our debt has increased to $15.5 TRILLION.

231 YEARS, $8.7 trillion.

4 years, $6.8 TRILLION, MORE!

Bush increased the national debt by $4899.0 TRILLION in 8 years. $2 trillion of that was in the last 2 years of his presidency when he was saddled with a Democrat controlled Congress.

obama has been president only 38 months. Already he has increased the national debt by $4,874.0 TRILLION. He will pass Bush's 8 year total this month.

Now if it pleases you, you may say that this years election is about mediocre or poor government vs massively insane govt. But it is not about a tired old man that mouths lofty ideas that never happen. The first step in getting our govt back is to get rid of the massively insane Democrat govt and then work like mad to straighten out the mediocre Republican govt.

After last night, if Paul was a patriotic American, he would stop wasting time and money and drop out again and go home to retirement.

 

You say your what hurts?

 

This year's election isn't about "mediocre vs poor government"; it's the same as always, which party gets to wield the power of unlimited government, i.e. the status quo. The leadership of the Republican Party has no interest whatsoever in reining in the FedGov - they'll just rearrange the deck chairs, maybe lower taxes a bit; bomb a few villages in some backwater nowhere and say, "look, we're conservative; we're keeping you safe; above all, we're not Democrats!!"; blah, blah, blah)

While the two wings of the Big Government Party may bicker about the details of how big government should be administered, they are in agreement on one essential and fatal fact, and that is that government can do anything it wants - including kill you if they so desire.

There is a small percentage within the Republican Party that believes in the Constitution and limited government; but of course they are a small minority, and completely shut out.

- is the Constitution a "living document"??
- are you a neocon??
- a Keynesian??
- does the FedGov have the authority to seize your property without due process?? (Republicans love their drug laws)
- does the FedGov have the authority to engage in warfare w/o congressional approval?? (the Republicans think so)
- did the FedGov have the authority for the "bailouts"?? (Republicans think so)
- does the FedGov have the authority to search your private papers and possessions w/o warrant?? (the Republicans think so - gotta love that "Patriot Act")
- does the FedGov have the authority to regulate healthcare??

On and on... the Republicans that you are voting for, agree with all of that nonsense - that's what your voting for.

You'll forgive me if I won't go along sheepishly.

 

I give you facts and figures that totally DISPROVE your wholly erroneous premise. You come back with Paulobot Dream land nonsense.

You asked, "- does the FedGov have the authority to regulate healthcare??"


I answer that obamacare was passed by a strictly Democrat vote in both Houses of Congress. Democrats, not all of them, voted for obamacare. Republicans, all of them, voted against obamacare. But since Democrats had the controlling majority in both Houses, obamacare passed on the strictly Democrat partisan vote.

So your own question helps prove my case that the Democrats MUST be thrown OUT of control of the Senate and the WH.

But while you're wandering aimlessly in Paulobot dream land, you're sucking up propaganda like it was MaMa's milk.

Basically, the primaries ARE over. Romney HAS won. It just has to become official. Santorum finishes second. Gingrich third, and Paul last. Its over. The clock has not struck midnight, but its OVER.

You preferred Paul, he's out of it. I preferred Gingrich by a bit, he's out of it too. I'll vote for Romney because obama MUST not be reelected.

 

Why ? They won't relinquish government control of healthcare.
Your delusions are entertaining.

 

It isn't that I preferred Paul, it's that I vote for the Constitution, and he is the only candidate that understands that the U.S. even has a Constitution. I wouldn't even consider voting for the others, just as I wouldn't consider voting for O'Stalin.

It's about principle; it's about the Constitution; it's about freedom - this isn't a game that can go on forever... there is an endgame to all of this, an endgame that is coming up very quickly now; and to that end, the Republicans are doing just as much damage as the Dems.

Chewing up our feedom from supposedly opposite ends of the spectrum - meet ya in the middle... it is a disgusting con game that is swallowed hook, line, and sinker by the wide-eyed followers of each party.

As I said, I don't go along quite so easily.

As for your thinking that I somehow made your point for you by mentioning HC?? Take the scales off your eyes... the Republicans are just as committed to a FedGov takeover of HC as the dems are - that is, a takeover beyond it's current levels of unconstitutional meddling... which most Republicans of course support.

Just b/c they voted against Obamacare, doesn't mean they are opposed to government expansion resulting in a complete takeover of the industry. Republicans vote for all manner of unconstitutional nonsense when it comes to HC. Medicare and Medicaid are both patently unconstitutional, and will contribute greatly to our collapse; yet Republicans can't wait to convince everyone that they are committed to saving them. That's despicable and disgusting.

Perhaps a Republican in the WH might slow the fiscal bleeding a bit in the short term - simply b/c their base will demand some reforms that would improve our current situation; but they would do nothing to turn the ship around; and they would do massive amounts of damage on other fronts (Patriot Act, police state, wars, etc).

The only rational option is to vote principle; vote for the Constitution, and work like hell to put the genie back in the bottle... there are only about 14 of us in the country that believe that though - so, as I said, take heart - you're in the majority.

See -

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

That is what the majority wants to do... they want to keep stealing. They don't care if they run up unbelievable, staggering amounts of debt. Afterall, there's nothing to stop them... who's gonna stop 'em?? Posterity??

 

It was unnecessary for you to point out that you are naive and unrealistic. That IS perfectly obvious about all Paul supporters.

Because he talks a good idealistic, but naive and unrealistic story, you all pee your diapers over a man that has never ACCOMPLISHED a thing. 3 decades of nothingness and he is your big hero.

He is a lying career politician like the rest of them.

And I keep pointing out that the Constitutional damage, the stealing and the massive debt is all getting done by one side. but like all Paulobots, you're so deeply lost in a completely imaginary world that you are unaware of ALL that is happening around you.

So you're going to ride your unrealistic and phony principles into an obama reelection.

Absolute fools.

 

naive ?
that's funny, coming from the one who thinks that the repubs would repeal state run health care.

I know, cross your fingers and click your heals together. This time it's different.

 

Exactly. He is never mentioned on this forum, no one knows who he is or what his positions are, and you spend absolutely no time talking about him...ineffective indeed!

End the FED!

End the War on Drugs!

Repeal the PATRIOT Act!

End the Wars Overseas!

Balance the Budget!

Abolish the Death Penalty!

Cut off the Military Industrial Complex!

End the Bailouts! End Corporate Welfare! End Subsidies!

Hard to be effective as an Republican when the majority of Congress is Imperialist...

At least he got your attention though!

 

You forgot to add
Apply strict term limits!

Paul has introduced that bill to establish strict term limits in every one of his 12 terms.

Ron Paul, the running and running and running, Joke!

And what did that filthy lying Gingrich say about Ron Paul. Gingrich SAID.

What Ron Paul has said about the Federal Reserve for the last 25 years is correct!

Gingrich said that after winning S. Carolina. But Paulobots say Gingrich lies all the time.

Good ideas without implementation are smoke,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

Bad ideas, with implementation, is the stuff you vote for.
Good job. Being their tool is so becoming.

 

It never ceases to amaze me. This habit Paul's supporters have of insulting anyone who doesn't agree with every one of Paul's positions. Yeah, that's a sure fire way to win hearts, minds and votes for Paul.

 

Look through your post history. Think. And then maybe it will hit you.

 

Socialism? How funny. Wasn't it the 5th "Plank" of the Communist Manifesto to have a "Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly."? Clearly the Federal Reserve is Socialist Act and you're too blinded to see it has actually created all the Welfare programs in this Country.

Diseased Culture? The Disease is created by the State itself by constantly pushing their psychological problems as a Criminal one. The "Drug War" has done nothing so far to diminish the outbreak of addicts in America and for the most part it has given Drug Cartels far more power.

Commenting on the second paragraph... You really believe the Government should have the leeway based upon pure speculation to invade someone's privacy because someone may have saw something? I love how you rail against Socialism when you're totally for the State coming into people's houses with no evidence to support their claim other than an eye witness? Maybe you're a Socialist?

Sorry they didn't get a Court Order signed during the process of invading a home most likely... what you need to understand is the Patriot Act allows for the State to create warrants on the fly without any evidence of criminality. Purely speculation is enough.

450 Billion over the course of a decade is nothing when compared to the Trillion that gets spent every year. Also the days of massive armies is a thing of the past considering the technology of today doesn't provide for the best usage of massive infantry brigades assaulting. Your belief in that the US Government should be dominant through the use of Force goes to show how much of a Socialist you may actually be. You don't believe in the Government forcing Obama Care but, you're okay when it comes to taxing people's income and waging Wars on lesser Nations to force a Economic mission or a Political Platform.

They demanded the US Government to be in constant debt? Find the exact quote for that one. Also Hamilton was a known Federalist and there are plenty of Anti-Federalists present throughout the Revolutionary War that didn't agree with that belief either.

Your plight is for a person's job when it is costing the US Taxpayer billions to keep purchasing weaponry because of our never ending Wars? Oh no don't stop the Military Jobs because it helps the Economy! We're in the Business of Bombing other Nations on a Daily basis!

Continue idiocy until the country either implodes or recreates itself into the Socialist Wonderland where the Government controls nearly every Business? "Lesser of Two Evils" is a cop out to not making the harder decision in life. Just keep shooting up the Country with massive inflated dollars and poor practices... Why do you hate Drug Addicts so much when the Government itself is the biggest junky right now?

Why read it? It's a mentality created from earliest Empires that have ever walked the Earth. It's a failed Policy because eventually the amount of Men & Coin that go into trying to suppress the people will backlash at one point and dismember the control it once head. I've yet to see a Nation survive being an Empire in History. Hell even the British Empire is over!

The USA could be purely independent and our Economic advantage doesn't have to come from constantly assaulting, manipulating and bribing other Nations. This Philosophy in the past few decades has crippled this Nation by quite an amount...