U.S. factory decline suggests economy losing steam

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    There are jobs which require skills beyond the ken of American workers. They are too poorly educated to seize the opportunities. The elites in this country have allowed American workers to go without sufficient education to distinguish themselves from third world workers.
     
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    The point is nothing we have will come close to taking the place of oil. We aren't anywhere near having something that can. We must continue to use it, and at the same time find new things.

    Not just completely give up on oil, while not having alternatives that work.
     
  3. creation

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    You dont have to come up with solutions? Arent you at risk as much as anyone? Is this sado masochism?

    And youre accusing the left of freezing things? The left has already agreed to spending cuts if youll agree to tax rises on higher income scales.

    Isnt that the movement youre after? What really is it you want from us on the left?

    Do you want us to agree to increased defence spending, along with cuts in public programmes and capital gains taxes?

    As for collapses arent you a bit of a sham? After all, if you really thought that youd bet on it and make alot of money.
     
  4. creation

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    Who on earth is saying give up on oil?

    Alternatives are merely emergent technologies. Its only you who would say that libs want to end all oil production.

    Libs merely want to reduce dependency by invrestment in alternatives and the encouragment of public transport etc.

    The fact you wont acknowledge that is part of your own wilful ignorance.
     
  5. thediplomat2.0

    thediplomat2.0 Banned

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    The manufacturing sector is suffering from structural unemployment. The jobs lost will not come back. Therefore, new manufacturing jobs and companies need to be created.
     
  6. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jobs are not created out of want, but need. Shrinking American demand, or the wealth of workers if you will, mixed with the fact leadership believes in a "global world", and 200 out of 230 nations of this "globalized world" are slave labor and will not be consumers of anything outside of basic necessities for centuries, means that for now wealth on a global scale is a pie and being divided to the point of crumbs for everyone. Between American jobs being shipped out to 3rd world nations, American wealth being taken through taxes to prop up the central banks of 2nd world nations, to American wealth being used to police all nations, we are bankrolling the planet. The sad part is the top is making record games off this scam, while it is the average American Joe who suffers loss of future and personal wealth, and since the top make the rules, nothing will change. Real global growth is when the majority of nations find ways to create their own industry, with their own demand, enriching their own societies. What we have now is nothing of the sort.
     
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    I agree to some extent. From what I remember, you favor protectionist policies, correct? If so, what are your opinions on quantitative easing? The policy is actually considered protectionist. I actually posted a current events article in which the IMF has supported Chinese rebalancing efforts, which is essentially their version of currency devaluation in contrast to ours (quantitative easing). I stated how their approval was in direct contradiction with the organization's original principles.
     
  8. Til the Last Drop

    Til the Last Drop Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is and it isn't. Protectionism, tariffs on imports, creates a ceiling and floor to how much international trade can hurt/help the home market. QEs basically are just away to stick an IV into the home market to make death from free trade slower. Not really the same thing, even though they are both of a home market nature and not of a globalized perspective. If there were no QEs in America, while the top pushed farther with fiat currency and free trade, America would be burnt to the ground by its own public within a year. There is very little, if any, self sustaining portions of our economy left, when all levels of state interference are taken into consideration. You remove the state from our economy completely, and we have 50% unemployment and hyperinflation over night. Yes I agree global entities are hypocritical in their policies towards America and the rest. But they always have. Modern free trade is simply Americans not allowed to have any economic sovereignty while we trade with countries that have obvious protectionist policies. The hypocrisy of the global community is nothing new.
     
  9. Professor Peabody

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    Like what?
     
  10. mikezila

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    hemp seed oil! :weed:

    we just need to plant it over every square foot of the planet...
     
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    This pretty much explains just how desperate the right is to push off everything that the Republican-controlled Congress did during Bush's two terms...

    "The setting, however, sent a mixed if not misleading message: ~The National Gypsum Co.’s warehouse closed not on Mr. Obama’s watch but during the presidency of George W. Bush, in June 2008, during the depths of the recession."

    Romney and the right-wing THINK that most Americans are dumb enough to fall for their empty tactics and divisive rhetoric. I guess we'll find out this election if they are correct in that assumption.
     
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    The economy never gained steam. All it got was a "dead cat bounce" and the Obama media tried to make a recovery of that.
     
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    Gas prices go over 4 bucks a gallon, stock market down 500 points.....
     
  14. Mac-7

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    Do you really have to ask?

    As a lib of course thediplomat2.0 wants "green jobs" created by the government.
     
  15. haribol

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    Obama is a not a capitalist and he raised his voice not for the class but for the mass. He is not responsible for what is happening in the US? He just built on the ravages his predecessors made. His concern for the mass makes me think he deserves our consideration
     
  16. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree Obama is a socialist. He IS responsible for what's happening in the economy today. He spent $840 Billion dollars that was supposed to fix the economy. Over 8% unemployment for the longest sustained time in the history of this country since the great depression. 16+% underemployment (stimulus jobs), $4+ trillion dollars in new debt in less than 3 years, home foreclosures continuing unabated by any Obama plan, gasoline heading toward $5 a gallon driving up prices of all consumer goods, food prices hitting the stratosphere and GDP growth below 2% which means we're losing ground.

    I could give a crap about Obama's concern, I care about what he does with out money. Billions of dollars flushed down the drain on Solar Energy as they go bankrupt falling like dominoes taking out hard earned tax dollars with them. I think he deserves our consideration too. We need to consider booting his sorry ass all the way back to Chicago in Nov.
     
  17. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Hes a freaking communist, dude....

    dont even bother denying it, your own post is proof enough.
     
  18. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What about the 100,000 or so job created in solar over the past few years?
     
  19. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gas prices have been falling the last few weeks. Stock market up over 50% since Obama took office.
     
  20. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Nope.

    The damage has already been done.

    Oh and the stock market isnt up anything. Its inflated with printed money.
     
  21. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, facts are facts. No matter how much they do not fit your fantasy worldview.
     
  22. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    [video=youtube;PTUY16CkS-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k[/video]
     
  23. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In China or here? You'll need to post a link to exactly how many jobs were created and when. We'll divide that by the cost and see if it was worth it.
     
  24. Professor Peabody

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    Very impressive drop in prices there Ire.
     
  25. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know how disappointed you are gas prices have gone down, Pee.
     

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