Osama Bin Laden: God did not want an Islamic state in Egypt

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  1. Abu Sina

    Abu Sina New Member

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    .http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...Laden-God-did-not-want-an-Islamic-state-.aspx

    Very interesting if these are accurate translations

    Maybe not such a bad guy after all
     
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    Ya if you're an Islamic Imperialist who doesn't care about the killings of non-Muslims. :roll: But of course you don't care about the Kafir do you Abu they are like so much cattle only worthy of 3rd Class Citizen status which is why you support the Muslim Brotherhood.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Coming from someone who has expressed sympathy for Hitler's Final Solution, your assessment hardly comes as a surprise.

    Shall we take a trip down memory lane?

    Charming...
     
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    And that equals " sympathy for Hitler's Final Solution " does it ?

    [​IMG]


    Sounds like a chapter from Desperados in Zion :mrgreen:
     
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    One shouldn't practice hypocrisy.

     
  6. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It certainly does.

    Did you drop your crayon, toots? I can't see your little drawing.

    Sounds like the spin of Stormfront flunkies...
     
  7. The Doctor

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    It's been my experience that once you let a Muslim talk long enough their true Jew hating Nazi sympathizing nature will begin to show.
     
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    It's been my experience that once you let a Muslim talk long enough their true Jew hating Nazi sympathizing nature will begin to show.
     
  9. OJLeb

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    You seem to have confused the term kufar and goyim.

    Kufar is Arabic for non-believer. As for your claim of how Kufar are to be treated...

    [60:8] Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
    [60:9] Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

    Goyim is a derogatory term for non-Jews similar but more offensive version of Gentile. Anyway, the Talmud says:

    “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

    “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

    You could also read the book, How To Kill Goyim And Influence People. The title speaks for itself.
     
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    So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:8:39
     
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    Ha, the biggest supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood is the US, the Israelis, the Saudis and Qataris.

    The US supported Muslim Brotherhood terrorists in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnia, Lybia and now Syria.

    Obviously the Doctor is just another Pavlovian controlled reactionary working to promote the dialectics of war.
     
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    Regarding "Hitler's Final Solution", why were non Judah Askenazi people, who called themselves Jews, in the highest ranks of the Nazi regime?

    Nazi Germany had a special court,
    "Intended to enable prominent party members to rid themselves of the stigma of Jewish ancestry,"
    Law of April 12, 1938 (Reichsgestzblatt I, 386)
    Encyclopedia Britanica 1953, Page 219C Vol. 10
     
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    Um, all 4 hate the Muslim Brotherhood; whereas, the House of Saud does support the Salafists, just wondering where do you get this bull(*)(*)(*)(*)?

    Do you even know what the MB is? And no we did not support Islamic terrorists in those places, proof or ****.
     
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    lol who exactly? Anyways, genetic testing proves conclusively that the Ashkanazi can trace their genetic lineage all the way back to the paleolithic peoples of the Levant.
     
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    Come on now, surely you can do better.

    [8:38] Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return [to hostility] - then the precedent of the former [rebellious] peoples has already taken place.

    What are they telling the disbelievers to cease? Ah yes, hostility. Thats nice of them, saying please stop being hostile to us.

    [8:39] And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

    Ahh, so now it makes sense. The Muslims gave the Kufar the chance to stop fighting. However, if the Kufar start being hostile again, then the Muslims must fight back. Fitnah means persecution, by the way.

    [8:40] But if they turn away - then know that Allah is your protector. Excellent is the protector, and Excellent is the helper.

    You see, Islam was a faith, however it also brought many feuding tribes together. It made peace among many tribes of Arabia.

    If the hostile tribes accepted Islam, then there would be no more hostility. They could just stop all together, without the need to convert. And that option is available. But if that option doesn't work out, then we must defend ourselves against persecution. That is natural.

    However, we must stop fighting once this fitnah is ended. That is our limit.

    Thank you, doctor.

    I googled the verse you used, word-for-word. It is used in many of the anti-Islamic websites. So, naturally, you are wrong and easy to refute.

    If you wish to get verses from the quran, http://quran.com works wonderfully. I'll help... http://quran.com/8/38 http://quran.com/8/39 http://quran.com/8/40
     
  16. Ivan88

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    That's fine. Keep on sleeping in your party line reactionary dream world.

    When the Muslim Brotherhood's attempt to take over Syria was crushed in Syria under President Hafez Assad, guess who was most upset about it?

    The USA and the Israelis. Why?

    That clue alone ought to make you re-examine your position.

    Here's the plan you are ignoring.
    Wesley Clark testifies:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha1rEhovONU
     
  17. Ivan88

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    That's nice.

    Ashkenazi is a branch of Japheth one of the sons of Noah.

    But Semites come from Shem, not Japheth.

    Nonetheless, the only real Israel or Judah is those who follow Jesus Christ, regardless of their genetic background.
     
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    Those who argue that there can be no peace between Muslims and the rest of the world do not like to cite entire passages in context, such as 8:38-40.

    Sean Hannity and the Rushblob like to cite 2:190-192, even though 2:193-195 negate their whole argument. Any translation I have seen seems to me to make it clear that war is to be made only against those who oppress, rather than those who refuse Islam. Intellectual laziness, especially as it applies to the study of religion, can get people killed and does nothing to advance any cause of God's.
     
  19. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a good question, being as the United States government didn't open talks with the Ikhwan until recently...

    Overtures to Egypt’s Islamists Reverse Longtime U.S. Policy
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/w...-reaching-out-to-muslim-brotherhood.html?_r=1
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed, intellectual laziness as it applies to the study of religion is a problem, and one of the most obvious manifestations of that laziness as it pertains to Islam is the argument that there is but one interpretation of the Qur'an.

    For example, there are countless numbers of Muslims who would dispute your claim that "war is to be made only against those who oppress, rather than those who refuse Islam" - Muslim Brotherhood ideologue Sayyid Qutb famously stated otherwise in his chapter on jihad in Milestones, and Qutb is certainly not alone in his position regarding the permissibility of offensive warfare against those who refuse to submit to Islam.

    This brings us back to the problem involving the Qur'an (although this problem is not limited to the Qur'an) and that is the fact that the text is open to interpretations that are often diametrically opposed to one another (which is not surprising given the Qur'an's own inner contradictions). While I believe we may be seeing signs of a rationalist movement within Islam that might confine the war verses in the Qur'an to their original time and space, the fact remains that the philosophical arguments over the nature and permissibility of war have not been resolved since the dawn of Islam and may never be resolved.
     

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