Proof that Illegals Are Not Taking Jobs From Americans...

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  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    What you don't understand in your xenophobia, is that medical emergency rooms in the USA are REQUIRED to provide emergency service to anyone who walks through their door...NO MATTER THEIR NATIONALITY AND COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

    Americans ARE NOT ENTITLED to use those medical emergency rooms any more than illegals! All people, no matter legal or illegal, are expected to pay for their services! Another thing you don't know is that most medical facilities are private enterprise in which the government has nothing to do with them...this means the American public has no entitled rights!
     
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    Who pays for it? The American public. Illegals pay nothing in, therefore they have no right... at least they shouldn't have.
     
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    I'm not saying that illegals are the whole reason this county is in deep doo doo. But there are many of these problems in direct response from illegals.
     
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    More myths...

    The medical treatment your speaking of is a federal law passed in 1986 to prohibit a practice commonly known as "patient dumping".Some of the examples at that time were mothers would have a baby,and leave the baby at a dumpster or at the hospital or a house front door. Then the mother would bleed out because she had no money or health care. Illegals have manipulated this to a fine art.

    Most hospitals that give this emergency room treatment is paid for by the government in the form of your tax dollars.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    There are millions of people in the USA right now with working green cards or just visiting for (*)(*)(*)(*)s and grins, and tens of millions more Americans...and ALL OF THEM can go into any emergency room to receive emergency procedures. ALL OF THEM are expected to pay for these services. ALL OF THEM do not pay. Who pays something and who does not...you have absolutely no idea!

    You also don't know how much illegals 'pay in' and you ignore how much tens of millions of Americans 'don't pay in'. There are no rights to anyone other than those rights the medical industry provides...and these are available to all PEOPLE...no matter the color of their skin...
     
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    There are PROS and CONS to having illegal people in the USA...this is a given.

    And it is a given that some percentage of them cause problems to society.

    You and others ONLY look at the xenophobic CONS of illegals and then stereotype as if all of them are robbing the USA blind.

    Your position of worrying about a few illegals and the problems you believe they cause, while ignoring the tens of millions of Americans who cause the identical problems, comes across as nothing more than a witch-hunt!

    When I live and work in harmony every single day with immigrant farm workers and their families, I see firsthand their value to the USA, and IMO I am far less worried about 'them' than saintly Americans who we read about every day in the newspaper robbing, and killing, and raping...
     
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    How about quantifying your statement in BOLD above?
     
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    Not entirely. The governent picks up only some of the cost. The hospital is forced to pay the rest, otherwise the government will stop paying the hospital to treat medicare patients. The reimbursement rates are ridiculously low and do not cover the actual costs of treatment, including liability insurance expenses, of treating the poor.

    Since the hospital is not allowed to charge patients more than a government-specified amount for a specific treatment that is being reimbursed by medicare, the costs of treating the poor end up being pushed onto patients without medicare. This is one of the reason medical care costs are so unaffordable in the USA.

    But what has started to happen is that many hospitals in areas with large numbers of minorities have either closed down, or stopped treating medicare patients, just to avoid the expenses of treating the poor. Some hospitals have actually rellocated to higher income retirement neighborhoods that are just beyond practical reach of the minorities in the poor neigborhoods. This way, they can treat medicare patients without being forced to pay for the poor.

    With all the emergency rooms becoming overcrowded or closing down, there have been a rapid rise in "urgent care centers", which are basically the same thing as emergency rooms but with a technical name change that allows them to refuse treatment to the those unable/unwilling to pay. Many hospitals are actually reducing the size of their emergency rooms and outsourcing to contracted out urgent care centers, to avoid legal obligations.

    The new phenomena now is that the retired upper middle class are building their own hospitals within their gated communities. This way they can still enjoy medicare payments while actually fencing out the poor!
     
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    WOW...You just don't get it do you! Are you that fascinated with illegals?

    LOL...a few illegals.No one knows for sure how many of these ingrates are in the US.Estimates say between 12 and 20 million and maybe as high as 30.

    The reason you enjoy these illegals is for the following reasons.Your a xenophilous person who enjoys Exploiting illegals for your personal gain.
     
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    Ever heard of Medicaid or Medicare?Who pays for these?Thats right,when you hire an illegal to work on your farm,and he or she gets injured you drop them off at the ER.
     
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    I'd like to see you back up your 14 million figure as well. And provide some examples of the so called good paying jobs you referring to.
     
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    They are just people who hate Hispanics...xenophobia...so they just make up stuff in order to justify their biased positions.

    Fact...no one knows how many illegals are in the USA.

    Fact...no one knows all the jobs they possess.

    Fact...lots of women, and the elderly, and the sick, and kids, all illegals, are not holding jobs. Only 45% of the American population work, so if we use the 14 million number, maybe 6.3 million illegals actually work. Many of these work part-time jobs and migrate for work. So in reality maybe 2-3 million of them have full time jobs, and common sense tells us those jobs are not 'good paying'!

    Fact...if they are 'good paying' jobs, why are Americans incapable of competing for these jobs?

    It's just xenophobia and this won't change until all the ignorance is purged from society...maybe in 100-200 years...probably longer...
     
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    Talk to enough contractors in the construction industry and they'll set you straight on the good paying jobs bit.
     
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    xe·no·pho·bia Pronunciation: \ze-n-fō-bē-, zē-\Function: noun Etymology: New Latin Date: 1903 : fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign


    Someone who hates Hispanics would be a racist not xenophobic.
     
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    And...they would be in this case xenophobic...
     
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    First off Hispanics are hated because of xenophilous reasons.
    (xenophilous: (adj.) attracted to that which is foreign)

    Your numbers could not be more wrong.If we just use the numbers from anchor babies as a reference to the illegals in the US we can see a small percentage of those numbers.There are 300,000 anchor babies born in the US each year,multiply that by 10 years thats 3 million.And we know it been going on a lot longer than that.That don't account for the ones who are border jumpers.

    Now how many time have the pro-immigration group like yourself have repeatedly said illegals come to the US for the jobs.Is this not true,is there another reason there heading to the US?

    There are many reasons for this.Here are a few.
    1,Illegals already hold them,resulting in no vacancy's for Americans.
    2,Many of these jobs were jobs the un-skilled Americans did be for illegals took them.
    3,Wages and benefits.

    Whats really a pathetic is when an American knowingly hires an illegal.In my book people who do this have no respect for the US.
     
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    xenophilous: (adj.) attracted to that which is foreign, especially to foreign peoples, manners, or cultures

    I don't believe there here for our manners though.As they don't respect our immigration laws.Many Hispanic are taught early in life to hate whites,that would make them raciest.Remember there invading the US,Americans are not invading Mexico.
     
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    So why are so many Latinos coming to the US illegally?
     
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    Probably for similar reasons that Asians, and Canadians, and Russians, and Central Americans, and South Americans...
     
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    I understand you don't have a leg to stand on with my question.
    But most illegals into the US are from Latin America.But again why are they coming to the US?

    Is it because of what there fathers,mothers parents in general have taught them?
     
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    Where you dream up this stuff???

    Until very recently, the southern border of the USA was porous at best...men, women and kids from Mexico and Central and South America could cross at will. Further, going back many decades, the USA encouraged the role of the migrant farm worker; come into the USA, work and harvest crops, then go back home for a couple of months. Over time farm workers found other types of employment, and illegal immigrants came for these other types of jobs, and then let this process fester for 20-30 years and you have what we have today.

    And IMO, they have filled a very important role in our economy...
     
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    Hmmm,so its safe to say that these immigrants you speak have (*)(*)(*)(*)ed it up for anyone crossing the border. Thats pretty much what there good at screwing it up for the honest ones.

    Again a myth om your part. Immigrants were introduced into the US during WW2,because most of the men went to war.Yes thats right white Americans and some blacks were working crops...Are you surprised at this? After WW2 most were rounded up in operation wetback (just search operation wetback on youtube).Very few of these ingrates entered the US the years that followed.During the 60s some dumbass liberal thought it would be a great idea to lets some in.Since then its been chain migration.

    This is where your pro-immigration BS comes in.You keep saying that there here for crop work.Is there a need for tens of millions of crop workers in the US? Why hell no theres not.This is where they take jobs from Americans,jobs like carpentry,restaurant,assembly,manufacturing,retail and so on.

    LOL...Is costing hundreds of billions in tax payer funds important role in our economy?

    We have been down this road a time or two,and each time you facts have been debunked.
     
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