Is Romney Electable?

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  1. RiseAgainst

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    Cut spending.

    The Democrats will turn us all into federally manufactured, collectivists robots. Constitutionalists (don't agree with the RINOS on most issues, they're close, but no cigar) believe in individualism. See the difference? Shill.
     
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    Definite mistake on his part. He could have easily justified his state level policies with intellectually honest and relevant citations of the Founders. The Tenth Amendment would have been a good theme to emphasize. Instead, he meandered off into the land of Newt and Santorum.
     
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    Ofcourse he is electable. He's by far the more superior candidate in the primary and based on experience and resume a far better candidate than Obama.

    The problem is, as usual, the liberal media. Their coverage of the primary vs. the 2008 Democratic primary is like night and day. In 2008 it was a 3 person race up until the end of January and after that Obama and Hillary battled all the way until June in a very bitter, heated contest and the media never said the party was unhappy with a particular candidate even though Hillary was winning states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas.

    But forget that. Between Romneys success in the private sector balancing budgets, making money, and creating jobs, his success and leadership in turning around the Olympics, and his leadership as a Republican Gov. in MA one of the most liberal states in the country shows that Romney has the proven skills and accomplishments for the job. His performances in the debates have been very good most of the time. I'd be very comfortable with Mitt for November.
     
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    The answer is no he isn't electable, never has been. That's why he has only won one election in his entire life, just one. And he didn't even try to run for re-election.

    The GOP has some major issues one of which their efforts to hold the country back so they would stand a better chance at winning the WH. I think that might be the only explanation as to why they are starting this stupid birth control thing. How else can they explain why the started running on social issues that they know they can't win other than to deflect away from their record?
    Then you have the less than stellar candidates to pick from, not just for the WH but nation wide, it's a pretty sad lot all the way around.
    Hard to win office on 'crazy' but it seems they did it in 2010 and the party is doubling down on crazy this cycle!
     
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    Well of course it is, how could be anything else? Couldn't be the party and it's record, couldn't be the candidates, so it has to be someone else.
     
  6. Craftsman

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    Keep in mind here that 80% of our debt is a direct result of republican spending and policy.
    If you want more of that, vote republican.
     
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    Recent history shows what will happen. Remember John McCain? How about Bob Dole? These were moderates that could not get the Conservative base out to vote. The same is true for Mitt. That is why 60% of the primary voters pick someone other than Mitt.

    Mitt Romney will be just another in the long list of moderate Republican candidates like Bob Dole and John McCain that can't get moderates to vote for him. Mitt will lose.
     
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    You're somewhat correct, but if any of those, except for Dole* had just stood up to the far right nutbag conservative block of the GOP and ran as a moderate, they could have won the general!
    It's the far right nutbag conservative stuff that scares people off.
    Look at the birth control thing, who is going to vote for a nutbar that admits they want to outlaw...OUTLAW birth control!?
    If a candidate is willing to say that, then how much further to the right are they really going to go?

    The GOP needs to find a candidate with some stones, one that will stand up to the extremists that have hijacked the party and bring it back to reality.

    (* no one would vote for Dole no matter how he ran, he lost before he started)
     
  9. RiseAgainst

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    That was a generalized and quite frankly stupid comment.
     
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    In every election cycle, the nominees have to appeal to the most ideological of voters. Once the nomination is decided, the candidate will move back to the center as quickly as possible. This is not going to be a new element to the American electoral process, it is a well documented trend in elections. What makes Romney seem so unelectable in comparison to the President is his inability to connect with lower and middle class voters.
     
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    No in fact it's to the point, factual and the truth is never 'stupid'.
     
  12. NoPartyAffiliation

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    Solid post and reasoning. That meandering will cost him the GE.

    It's good to see someone comfortable with their vote. I respect that. I feel just as comfortable with my vote for Obama.

    That's definitely a huge factor. Also, Romney keeps giving the DNC ammunition to use against him. This election, the GOP has pretty much completely destroyed their chances with gays, minorities and a LOT of women. Tons of Moderates and Independents (like myself) have already decided to vote for Obama - based on how wildly extreme the alternative has become. He can try to get back to center but the damage is done.

    I'm sure RW Gallup and Rasmussen will continue showing a tie or even a GOP lead, for a few days here and there, but every other poll out there will show what we all know: barring the X Factor, the election is Obama's.
     
  13. Bluesguy

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    Of course he is.
     
  14. Giftedone

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    All of your post is flawed due to assuming that fallacies are true but I will just address one fallacy, Unemployment.

    One of Romney's big gaffs was his claim "unemployment was X prior to Obama and Y within a year"

    Well no (*)(*)(*)(*)e sherlock.

    The "average Joe" might buy into this stupidity but the "I have business experience candidate" should know better.

    Obama took the helm of a burning ship. Prior to leaving the previous admin threw gasoline and TNT on the fire.

    The Dow had fallen from 14,000 down to 6500
    The Housing Bubble had just burst
    The financial system was collapsing.
    Credit markets were frozen and the economy was on the verge of collapse
    The Global economy was in shambles
    Federal income had dropped from 2.7 Trillion down to 2.1 Trillion.

    Anyone with any business experience can tell you that any one of the above issues will lead to job losses .. no if's ands or buts.

    Having them all happen at the same time is an unemployment nightmare.

    How can someone who claims "I am the candidate with business experience", not know this ?

    Does Romney really think that all of the above could happen and somehow there would not be any Job losses ?

    There are many Romney Gaff's similar to this one but the biggest mistake so far is that Romney has not presented a plan with any merit.

    Platitudes such as "Cut Taxes and get rid of Obamacare" are not going to cut it.

    It is one thing be critical of Obama's plan but then you better have a plan of your own otherwise you are just slinging mud and opening yourself up to attack.

    I expect that Romney will present a plan but he needs the nomination process to be wrapped up quickly because time is getting short.

    He needs to get off social platforms in a big hurry. (Santorum has almost singlehandedly killed this election IMO)

    Moderate Conservatives such as myself and Independents do not want to hear about more government intervention in the personal lives of citizens based on religious ideology. Abortion, Contraception, Gay marriage and so forth.

    We are tired of spending Trillions of dollars on oversea's actions without any apparent return on investment.

    Folks that are not extremists care about the serious issues that are threatening the future of this country and Romney has presented no valid plan so far and committed a series of major gaffe's.

    The Obama machine is going to have a field day with the Romney gaffe's and he needs to start repairing the damage immediately.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    Well it is unfortunate that the average joe doesn't seem to know that Bush and the Republicans had the deficits down to $161 billion, 52 months of full employment and that 14,000 dow. THEN the Democrats took over the Congress including one Senator Barack Obama, a full voting member who could have proposed legislation at any time.

    But he asked for the job knowing full well what he was getting into and his economic council went and sold his stimulus plan on the basis it would hold unemployment below 8% and that it would be under 6% by now. Romney is correct it hasn't been under 8% since.

    No one has said we weren't heading for job losses. But those loses bottomed out before he took office and had rebounded before his stimulus plan went into effect. What he did was prevent us from going into a full recovery so we could start gaining back those jobs and now they try to use the number of people who have given up looking for work to cover the horrible unemployment number we REALLY, closer to 11%.
    Quote where he said the shouldn't have been ANY job losses.

    It doesn't take some big elaborate "plan" to get the economy going again and jobs creation back on track. Obama's problem is that he thinks it DOES require some big plan on his part and he is clueless as to what it is.


    Then tell David Gregory and Chris Matthews and Maddow and all the other leftist to stop desperately trying to make those the issue so they don't have to deal with Obama's economic and foreign policy failures.

    What are you talking about, we couldn't afford not to spend it.


    Just wait till they start running Obama's words then and his words and deeds now.
     
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    Ideologically speaking, I put the President and Mitt Romney in the same boat. Sure, one acts more competent than the other, and their policies differ here and there, depending on one's perspective, but both are big government solutions politicians. This election should be known as the Obamney election. They are one in the same.
     
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    LOL Right .. it was that darn Democratic congress that was responsible for the Bush budget deficit of 1,413 Trillion dollars.

    This must be why they call it the Bush Budget instead of the democrat budget.

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit

    Romney is going to be made to look a fool based on his nonsensical comments on unemployment.

    Not quite as foolish as the claim that the democrats gaining Congress was responsible for the deficits in 2007 and 2008 .. but its up there.
     
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    The thought of Romney as President makes me sick. He's obviously a big corporation guy who's being funded by the top 1% because they know he's going to bat for their cause if he's elected. Look at the his flip flops in every issue and you'll see a guy with no principles who will do anything to become President. His campaign strategy is throwing dirt at his competitors not highlighting his strengths because there are not many to speak of.

    He speaks against bailout yet he supported the Wall Street bailout. At the same time he was against the Auto Industry bailout which has proven was necessary for the industry to survive at the time. The difference. The Wall Street bailout benefited the elite. The Auto one benefited workers more. Ironically, his biggest success, the Salt Lake games owe their success mainlt through the finds he was able to acquire from the Federal Governmen aka Bailout.

    Romney paid only a tax rate of 13% last year while others not so fortunate pay a tax rate of 30%. Not once has he said that he will raise the tax rate on this elite segment who are benefiting from the low rates.

    He proposes to decrese the national debt but how is he going to do that exactly. Not raise tax on the rich of course because that would discourage ivestment according to him. He wants to go to war on Iran which would further put a strain on the economy. What's left of course. Tax those who are already heavily taxed. That's the Romney tax plan.

    How about his stance on foreign policy. He supported both the Afghan and Iraq wars and now wants another war in Iran. Which would be illegal of course. Its not the Us's job to police the world. Leave that to the UN, which the US controls anyway. How he can talk about speaking tough with Iran when he can't speak tough with Rush Limbaugh is beyond me.

    The fact is that this is the lamest set of nominees ever. If Romney becomes President, it won't be just the illegals who start to self-deport.
     
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    Too bad you don't have better sources for information. Those were Pelosi/Reid budges. Bush's last two proposals were DOA on Capital Hill, not even considered.

    Only by the ignorant.


    Obama will look nonsensical when he tries to defend his previous statements and his HORRIBLE record.

    They weren't for fiscal year 2007, that was the last Bush/Republican budget. You really need to get your facts straight.
     
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    LOL ... Did Bush somehow lose his power to veto all that democratic spending.


    What a Joke.
     
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    In 2009 there were no spending proposals sent to him. Did you vote for Bush and the Republicans so they could veto the spending of Reid and Pelosi?


    What it is called is fact. You blame Bush for not stopping the side YOU support. THAT is the joke.
     
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    Duuuooppphhh.

    The 2009 Budget is created in 2008.
     
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    You and Gifted are funny. You claim that the economy is not Bush's fault - even though he started a trillion dollar war and at the same time LOWERED taxes. It doesn't take a math professor to figure out that (*)(*)(*)(*)ed us. Gifted seems to think that three years later, Obama is just a victim of the previous administration, has done everything right and there is no way anything could have been better - which is also ludicrous.

    Bush and the GOP grew government more than any previous president, lowered taxes while starting a couple wars and deregulated the CMBS market. Obama continued handing money out to banks without restriction, focused on a disaster health plan when his focus should have been on ONLY the economy, restricted oil production dramatically and basically screwed the pooch for the first two years of his presidency.
    Both sides have skin in the game. To blame it all on one side or the other is laughable to those who aren't blinded by party / ideology.
     
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    Ohhh, pleeeaaaase!

    What caused the current depression... a bust in the housing market bubble.
    What caused the housing market bubble... government regulation under democratic Presidents (Carter and Clinton) and other democrats like Andrew Cuomo and Barney Frank. This was exacerbated by loose monetary policy by the fed.
     
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    Romney is hardly nominatable....
    He's having difficulty getting nominated let alone elected.

    Romney is Vice Presidential material, perhaps, to a Santorum who will let the economy speak for itself.
    Meanwhile, Santorum will focus on that half ot the American woman voter that see the need to change the attitude of the Left in regard to sexual morality.

    No legislation against Abortions is at issue since the problem withthe Sexual Revolution is getting pregnant, not after the fact dealing with either 1.5 illegitimated babies at oresent or the 1.2 million annual present Abortions.


    Santorum, joined by Rush Limback, will focus of this Sexual Revolution of the feminist Welfare Single Mthers and show that it has destroyed Education, filled our prisons, broken the annual Federal Budget, and hurt the very children Welfare was designed to help.



    Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:

    • 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    • 4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
    • 6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
    • 24.3 times more likely to run away
    • 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
    • 6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
    • 10.8 times more likely to commit rape
    • 6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
    • 15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
    • 73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes
    • 6.3 times more likely to be in state operated institutions


    Daughters who live in mother only homes are
    92% more likely to divorce**
     

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