Out of 13,950 only 23 article peer reviewed articles dispute Man Made Climate Change

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    What's sad about this issue is the people picking sides along ideological and political lines.

    Climate change is happening. Doesn't really matter in the end if man is causing it or not. Geological history shows climate change never bodes well for the organisms alive at the time. Pretending climate change isn't a real issue because it's associated with liberals is just plan silly.

    Me personally, I think the evidence clearly points to a changing climate. While the evidence is not conclusive, I also believe man-made pollution is speeding it along, or at the very least, increasing it's severity. I don't see how we couldn't be. Some of the chemicals man spews into the air aren't meant to be there at all, and don't occur naturally. Couple that with the deforestation that is wiping out our planet's ability to regulate oxygen and CO2, and I think we're all going to be pretty unhappy in the next century or two, if we haven't nuked ourselves into an unnatural winter before then.
     
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    Shows you how detached from the science many media outlets are, although the ones above are tabloid-quality.

    There are more media idiots predicting an ice age today than there were in the 70's, when the same global warming deniers promoting "imminent ice age" stories now claim "they predicted an ice age...".

    Regardless, the science isn't fundamentally different on global warming, just more evidence and consequently more consensus...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
     
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    The 1977 Cover - "The Big Freeze" is about temperatures.
     
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    Your list has been debunked numerous times.

    http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/450-more-lies-from-the-climate-change-deniers/

    http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/poptart-gets-burned-again-900-times/

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?p=1&t=524&&n=571

    Of the remaining (many skeptic-lite) papers...

    http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/anti-agw-papers-debunked/
     
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    Today Texas is digging two feet of global warming off their driveways!!!:smile:
     
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    Both of your graphs were in degrees (C). Your second graph just scales down the Y axis to downplay the rapid warming that has taken place over the last century, attributed mostly to human activities. You could get even more cute and display it in Kelvins, starting at zero, but it would be no more informative. Roughly 5 degrees of global temperature change separates glacial to interglacial transitions, taking place over tens of thousands of years, and we know the profound effects that had. Bury your head in the sand all you want, but recent global warming, and where we're headed over the next century, is nothing to take lightly.
     
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    Wot?? And data cannot be manipulated, cherry picked, altered???

    There are Lies Damned Lies and Statistics - which is why if this were so valid it would have the methodology clear and visible

    But it is a blog and therefore comes under the heading of "Duh Wot sum bloke onna internets Sed..."
     
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    The irony is there are more junk stories today claiming an imminent ice age (h/t BVWC for providing some recent ones) than there were in the 1970's.
     
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    Or unending summer

    And if you think THAT is bad there is now evidence that during the triassic, when CO2 levels were high there was mass deforestation of the tropics - can you imagine all those people in the tropics suddenly looking for new homes?
     
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    You can find any piece of work on the internet to support any view.

    I tend to believe the people that do the research for reputable science organizations...like NASA the NOAA..and many others that say the same thing.

    The earth is getting warmer because of the abundance of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.
     
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    It has never been debunked, did you fail to read the Rebuttals to Criticisms section?


    Rebuttal to Greenfyre - "450 more lies from the climate change Deniers"

    "Greenfyre's rambling blog post of lies is something alarmists find when they desperately Google for anything to discredit the list. They ignorantly believe that because a criticism is posted online it must be true. As demonstrated below, absolutely nothing in his post is factually accurate. Many of these corrections to his nonsense were made in the comment section to his blog post but Greenfyre dishonestly refused to make any corrections. Instead he hopes people will reject the list based on his propaganda."


    Rebuttal to Greenfyre - "Poptart gets burned again, 900 times"

    "Greenfyre continues his dishonest and desperate attempt to attack the Popular Technology.net peer-reviewed paper list with the same lies, misinformation and strawman arguments that have all been refuted ad nauseam. He is so dishonest he refuses to even make corrections to things that have been shown irrefutably not be true."

    More on Greenfyre...

    The Truth about Greenfyre

    "Greenfyre is the Internet blog and screen name for a radical environmental activist, Mike Kaulbars from Ottawa, Canada. He is a founder of the Earth First! chapter in Ottawa, Canada, an eco-terrorist organization with a long history of violence and sabotage."


    Are you admitting you are a computer illiterate?

    Google Scholar Illiteracy at Skeptical Science

    "In a desperate attempt to diminish the value of the list of peer-reviewed papers supporting skeptic's arguments, Rob Honeycutt from Skeptical Science not only lies but puts on a surprising display of his Google Scholar Illiteracy. He fails to use quotes when searching for phrases, is unable to count past 1000 and fails to remove erroneous results such as, "Planet Mutonia and the Young Pop Star Wannabes" - believing it to be a peer-reviewed paper about global warming. It is clear that not only does he not understand how to properly use Google Scholar, he has no idea of the relevance of any of the results he gets.

    Update: Rob was forced to concede I was correct (though never owns up to blatantly lying) and has desperately made a flawed updated "analysis". His original inaccurate number of 954,000 results went down to 189,553 results (which he fails to mention in his update) of which 160,130 (84%) CANNOT BE VERIFIED due to the 1000 result limit imposed by Google Scholar. The remaining results are irrefutably filled with erroneous nonsense that has to be individually removed before any sort of accurate count can be taken (see the updates for more information). None of which was done leaving his post to be worthless and those who cite it computer illiterate.
    "


    Rebuttal to "Anti-AGW papers debunked"

    "The following is the rebuttal to a list of alleged "debunked" peer-reviewed papers supporting skeptic's arguments compiled at AGW Observer. His "debunking" sources include; unpublished, non-peer-reviewed sources such as comments in blogs and forums; published comments on the original paper that were rebutted by the author; or other independent papers which have also been rebutted. Comments in blogs and forums do not warrant a reply because any valid criticism would follow the established peer-review process of submitting a comment for publication in the same journal, which allows the author of the original paper a chance to publish a rebuttal in defense of their paper. Failure to attempt to publish their criticism(s) means they do not believe their arguments would stand up to peer-review."


    How does it feel to fail in such epic proportions?

    You will not be able to find a single valid criticism in any of those links for the current version of the list.
     
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    Is Celsius no longer used to represent temperatures? "Rapid warming" of a fraction of a degree over 100 years? ROFLMAO! What part of the public does not even know we are arguing over a fraction of a degree do you not understand?
     
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    This is a first, the data is sourced at the bottom and plotted in excel. It is so easy even a cave man can do it.
     
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    Your "rebuttals", when not throwing around ad homs like "eco-terrorist", are just you chasing your tail - intent only in getting in the last word. You were on here some time ago promoting the same nonsense. When your "skeptical of man-made global warming" list came out, some authors instantly called BS (when even Pielke does that to a denier, you know you're in trouble). After much whining, you changed the title to be "skeptical of man-made global warming alarm", knowing that barely a few were actually skeptical of man-made global warming, even the ones "published" in denier front "journals" like E&E. When asked to define what you considered "alarm", you could not. You could not even dare to venture a criteria for equilibrium climate sensitivity that would qualify. Thus, your list was and still is rendered useless.
     
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    Both of the graphs you presented here are in Celsius, including the one you claim is "scamming". You are woefully confused.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...an-made-climate-change-29.html#post1062335549

    How cute. 0.99 is a fraction. So is 0.00001. 0.99 is roughly 20% of the global temperature difference between glacial and interglacial conditions that occurred over a much longer time period. Does the public know that? The 0.8 C that has occurred is 16% of that, and the science indicates we're headed for another 2-3 C (or more) over the next century, BAU.

    Your argument further examined/debunked:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/the-y-axis-of-evil.html
     
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    49 former NASA scientists go ballistic over agency's bias over climate change (Financial Post, April 11, 2012)


    Here are some highly credentialed scientists who have worked with NASA,

    John R. Christy, B.A. Mathematics, California State University (1973); M.S. Atmospheric Science, University of Illinois (1984); Ph.D. Atmospheric Science, University of Illinois (1987); NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal (1991); American Meteorological Society's Special Award (1996); Member, Committee on Earth Studies, Space Studies Board (1998-2001); Alabama State Climatologist (2000-Present); Fellow, American Meteorological Society (2002); Panel Member, Official Statement on Climate Change, American Geophysical Union (2003); Member, Committee on Environmental Satellite Data Utilization, Space Studies Board (2003-2004); Member, Committee on Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the last 2,000 years, National Research Council (2006); Distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville (1991-Present); Director of the Earth System Science Center, University of Alabama in Huntsville (2000-Present); Contributor, IPCC (1992, 1994, 1996, 2007); Lead Author, IPCC (2001)

    "I'm sure the majority (but not all) of my IPCC colleagues cringe when I say this, but I see neither the developing catastrophe nor the smoking gun proving that human activity is to blame for most of the warming we see." - John R. Christy


    Roy W. Spencer, B.S. Atmospheric Sciences, University of Michigan (1978 ); M.S. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin (1980); Ph.D. Meteorology, University of Wisconsin (1982); Research Scientist, Space Science and Engineering Center, University of Wisconsin (1982-1984); Senior Scientist for Climate Studies, Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA (1984-2001); MSFC Center Director's Commendation (1989); NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal (1991); U.S. Team Leader, Multichannel Imaging Microwave Radiometer (MIMR) Team, NASA (1992-Present); Team Leader, AMSR-E Science Team, NASA (1994-Present); American Meteorological Society's Special Award (1996); Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, University of Alabama in Huntsville (2001-Present)

    "As a climate researcher, I am increasingly convinced that most of our recent global warming has been natural, not manmade." - Roy W. Spencer


    Richard S. Lindzen, A.B. Physics Magna Cum Laude, Harvard University (1960); S.M. Applied Mathematics, Harvard University (1961); Ph.D. Applied Mathematics, Harvard University (1964); Research Associate in Meteorology, University of Washington (1964-1965); NATO Post-Doctoral Fellow, Institute for Theoretical Meteorology, University of Oslo (1965-1966); Research Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research (1966-1967); Visiting Lecturer in Meteorology, UCLA (1967); NCAR Outstanding Publication Award (1967); AMS Meisinger Award (1968 ); Associate Professor and Professor of Meteorology, University of Chicago (1968-1972); Summer Lecturer, NCAR Colloquium (1968, 1972, 1978 ); AGU Macelwane Award (1969); Visiting Professor, Department of Environmental Sciences, Tel Aviv University (1969); Alfred P. Sloan Fellowship (1970-1976); Gordon McKay Professor of Dynamic Meteorology, Harvard University (1972-1983); Visiting Professor of Dynamic Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1975); Lady Davis Visiting Professor, Department of Meteorology, The Hebrew University (1979); Director, Center for Earth and Planetary Physics, Harvard University (1980-1983); Robert P. Burden Professor of Dynamical Meteorology, Harvard University (1982-1983); AMS Charney Award (1985); Vikram Amblal Sarabhai Professor, Physical Research Laboratory, Ahmedabad, India (1985); Japanese Society for the Promotion of Science Fellowship (1986-1987); Distinguished Visiting Scientist, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA (1988-Present); Sackler Visiting Professor, Tel Aviv University (1992); Landsdowne Lecturer, University of Victoria (1993); Bernhard Haurwitz Memorial Lecturer, American Meteorological Society (1997); Fellow, American Academy of Arts & Sciences; Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science; Fellow, American Geophysical Union; Fellow, American Meteorological Society; Member, Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters; Member, Sigma Xi, The Scientific Research Society; Member, National Academy of Sciences; ISI Highly Cited Researcher; Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1983-Present); Lead Author, IPCC (2001)

    "Given that the evidence strongly implies that anthropogenic warming has been greatly exaggerated, the basis for alarm due to such warming is similarly diminished." - Richard S. Lindzen


    S. Fred Singer, BEE, Ohio State University (1943); A.M. Physics, Princeton University (1944); Ph.D. Physics, Princeton University (1948 ); Research Physicist, Upper Atmosphere Rocket Program, Applied Physics Laboratory, Johns Hopkins University (1946-1950); Scientific Liaison Officer, U.S. Office of Naval Research (1950-1953); Director, Center for Atmospheric and Space Physics, and Professor of Physics, University of Maryland (1953-1962); White House Commendation for Early Design of Space Satellites (1954); Visiting Scientist, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Cal Tech (1961-1962); First Director, National Weather Satellite Center (1962-1964); First Dean of the School of Environmental and Planetary Sciences, University of Miami (1964-1967); Deputy Assistant Secretary (Water Quality and Research), U.S. Department of the Interior (1967-1970); Deputy Assistant Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (1970-1971); Federal Executive Fellow, The Brookings Institution (1971); Professor of Environmental Science, University of Virginia (1971-1994); U.S. National Academy of Sciences Exchange Scholar, Soviet Academy of Sciences Institute for Physics of the Earth (1972); Member, Governor of Virginia Task Force on Transportation (1975); First Sid Richardson Professor, Lyndon Baines Johnson School for Public Affairs, University of Texas (1978 ); Vice Chairman and Member, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmospheres (1981-1986); Senior Fellow, The Heritage Foundation (1982-1983); Member, U.S. Department of State Science Advisory Board (Oceans, Environment, Science) (1982-1987); Member, Acid Rain Panel, White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (1982-1987); Member, Space Applications Advisory Committee, NASA (1983-1985); Member, U.S. Department of Energy Nuclear Waste Panel (1984); Visiting Eminent Scholar, George Mason University (1984-1987); Chief Scientist, U.S. Department of Transportation (1987-1989); Member, White House Panel on U.S.-Brazil Science and Technology Exchange (1987); Distinguished Research Professor, Institute for Space Science and Technology (1989-1994); Guest Scholar, Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, Smithsonian Institute (1991); Guest Scholar, National Air and Space Museum, Smithsonian Institute (1991); Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University (1992-1993); Distinguished Research Professor, Institute for Humane Studies, George Mason University (1994-2000); Commendation for Research on Particle Clouds, NASA (1997); Research Fellow, Independent Institute (1997); Director and President, The Science and Environmental Policy Project (1989-Present); Expert Reviewer, IPCC (2001)

    "We see no evidence in the climate record that the increase in CO2, which is real, has any appreciable effect on the global temperature." - S. Fred Singer


    Edwin E. (Buzz) Aldrin, B.S. Mechanical Engineering, West Point (1951); Sc.D. Astronautics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1963); Astronaut, Gemini 12, Apollo 11, NASA (1963-1971); Presidential Medal for Freedom (1969); NASA Distinguished Service Medal (1970)

    "I think the climate has been changing for billions of years. If it's warming now, it may cool off later. I'm not in favour of just taking short-term isolated situations and depleting our resources to keep our climate just the way it is today. I'm not necessarily of the school that we are causing it all, I think the world is causing it." - Buzz Aldrin


    Harrison H. Schmitt, B.S. Science, California Institute of Technology (1957); Ph.D. Geology, Harvard University (1964); Geologist, USGS (1957-1961); Teaching Fellow, Harvard University (1961); Project Chief, Astrogeology Center, USGS (1961-1965); Astronaut, Apollo 17, NASA (1965-1975); Johnson Space Center Superior Achievement Award (1970); Arthur S. Fleming Award (1973); NASA Distinguished Service Medal (1973); Sherman Fairchild Distinguished Scholar, California Institute of Technology (1973-1974); Chief, Scientist-Astronauts, NASA (1974); Assistant Administrator for Energy Programs, NASA (1974-1975); Fellow, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (1977); NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal (1982); Adjunct Professor of Engineering Physics, University of Wisconsin–Madison (1994-Present)

    "I don't think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect. Not that the planet hasn't warmed. We know it has or we'd all still be in the Ice Age but it has not reached a crisis proportion and, even among us skeptics, there's disagreement about how much man has been responsible for that warming." - Harrison Schmitt


    Philip K. Chapman, B.S. Physics and Mathematics, Sydney University (1956); M.S. Aeronautics and Astronautics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1964); Sc.D. Instrumentation, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1967); Physicist, Australian National Antarctic Research Expedition (1958-1959); Engineer, Canadian Aviation Electronics Limited (1960-1961); British Polar Medal (1961); Physicist, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1962-1967); Astronaut, Apollo 14 Mission Scientist, NASA (1967-1972)

    "All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead." - Phil Chapman


    Walter Cunningham, B.A. Physics with honors, University of California, Los Angeles (1960); M.A. Physics with distinction, University of California, Los Angeles (1961); Doctoral Candidate, Institute of Geophysics And Planetary Sciences, University of California, Los Angeles (1963); Advanced Management Program, Harvard Business School (1974); Physicist, RAND Corporation (1960-1963); Astronaut, Apollo 7, NASA (1963-1971); NASA Exceptional Service Medal (1968 ); Chief, Skylab Branch of the Astronaut Office, NASA (1968-1971); AIAA Haley Astronautics Award (1969); Associate Fellow, American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Society; Member, American Geophysical Union; Member, Sigma Pi Sigma; Member, Sigma Xi; Founding Director, Earth Awareness Foundation; NASA Distinguished Service Medal (2008 )

    "I believe in global climate change, but there is no way that humans can influence the temperature of our planet to any measurable degree with the tools currently at their disposal. Any human contribution to global temperature change is lost in the noise of terrestrial and cosmic factors." - Walter Cunningham
     
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    This is not proof of anything - it is two people arguing on the internet - mostly it is opinion and biased opinion at that. It is not even valid criticism but a gripe session because someone told the owner of a blog they were talking bunkum
     
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    Clarifications have always been made to the list to make it as accurate as possible. Pielke Jr. was the only author on the list to publish any such claims which turned out to be inaccurate as that too was quickly refuted, Rebuttal to Roger Pielke Jr. - "Better Recheck That List".

    The title was simply clarified as the list originally included this statement, "The papers support skepticism of "man-made" global warming or the environmental or economic effects of." - clearly implying they were supporting skeptic arguments against alarmist claims. This has been further clarified in the "Preface" to,

    "Preface: The following papers support skeptic arguments against Anthropogenic Climate Change (ACC), Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) or ACC/AGW Alarm."

    Your strawman argument is again debunked in the "Rebuttals to Criticism" section,

    Criticism: Paper [Insert Name] does not debunk/refute AGW.
    Rebuttal: This is a strawman argument as the list not only includes papers that support skeptic arguments against ACC/AGW but also ACC/AGW Alarm. Thus, a paper does not have to argue against AGW to still support skeptic arguments against alarmist conclusions (e.g. Hurricanes are not getting worse due to global warming). Valid skeptic arguments include that AGW is exaggerated or inconsequential, such as those made by Richard S. Lindzen Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT and John R. Christy Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science at UHA.

    E&E is not a "denier" journal as the editor is a social democrat and holds an agnostic view regarding AGW. Energy & Environment is a peer-reviewed interdisciplinary scholarly journal that is cited multiple times by the IPCC and is indexed in Thompson Reuters (ISI) Social Sciences Citation Index.

    Why are you lying? A definition of "Alarm" is provided in the "Preface" as well,

    ACC/AGW Alarm: (defined), "concern relating to a perceived negative environmental or socio-economic effect of ACC/AGW, usually exaggerated as catastrophic."

    WTF? I have no idea what discussion you are referring to but any such criteria is irrelevant to the list.


    After all your spamming of refuted and outdated nonsense you failed to provide a valid criticism of the list, what an absolute failure.
     
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    Reads like a who's who of those with their hands in Exxon mobil's biscuit barrel
     
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