Fascism 101

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  1. DeathStar

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    True conservatives are in support of smaller government.

    TODAY, however, "Republicans" are not overall supportive of freedom.
     
  2. Big George

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    Yes, you are ignorant. Virtually everything you write betrays your ignorance. You just don't like anybody who leans right, so you are blindly biased against them, and insist on insulting them in every way possible.

    Fascism is NOT a "right" or "left" issue. Get over your blind bias. :blahblah:
     
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    Forcing me to purchase car insurance is a violation of my freedom. You are fascist..at least, about that issue.
     
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    Interesting, the OP plays "j'accuse" but doesn't define what exactly he is accusing the left of.

    What is your definition of fascism? You do realize that it contains elements of both right and left political ideologies. these days, it is generally used to describe extreme right wing politics, although that was not its original meaning.

    Fascism is totalitarian. It is ultra nationalist. It promotes violence and war.

    "Fascism claims to represent a synthesis of cohesive ideas previously divided between traditional political ideologies.[9] To achieve its goals, the fascist state purges forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[10]"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    Fascism has far more characteristics in common with the extreme right than it does with the extreme left.
     
  5. kilgram

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    Deathstar is rightist and I think that never I've called him fascist, because I don't consider him fascist, the same with other many rightist people that I won't call them fascist.

    I call fascist to the fascists.

    And yes, fascism played to what is known the third way. But we already know what is this third way and to what leads.
     
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    Fascism is a form of authoritarianism.

    Fascism has a huge emphasis on national identity, and "uniting the people" under said identity. Unfortunately, people who dont fit that identity (immigrants, racial/ economic/ and political minorities) are typically oppressed, or in some cases killed as soon as possible (think Nazi germany for the most obvious example).

    The huge focus on nationalism has always made me see fascists as right wing, but they share some in common with the authoritarian left.
     
  7. AtsamattaU

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    A strong military and dominant foreign policy can be reasonably argued as fascist, two positions normally linked to conservatism. Like I said, though, fascism has both liberal and conservative elements and it's absurd to apply it to current American politics.
     
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    Facism is a form of authoritarianism.
     
  9. Libhater

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    The problem with your assessment of our military and foreign policy is that as Conservatives we only use those entities to protect our nation against foreign threats as spelled out in the Constitution, whereas, the liberal fascists use our government as the power to be in controlling all of our freedoms. Conservatives do not usurp the power of our own military in order to control and eliminate any of our personal freedoms they way a liberal fascist uses the government as a power base by taking our freedoms away from us. For examples of our government taking away our freedoms via liberal fascism, may I direct you to any and all of obama's policies including obamacare.
     
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    Who did Patriot Act? Who promoted SOPA? Who is asking to ban the abort? Please don't laugh of us.

    Please, if conservative are the ones that more freedom want to remove. However Democrats also are fascists in many ways. But say that Republicans and conservative are not fascist is a lie.
     
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    Or so we're told. And good for you for buying into that. But do you really think Fascists built up their militaries under the premise that it was to control the people? Also, consider the quote:
    I don't think conservatives are fascist; but neither are liberals.
     
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    Wanting less government isn't a measure of whether or not your right or left wing. Libertarian socialists don't want any government... are they right wing?
     
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    Yes a matter of degree of crisis for the Capitialist class and the form of Nationalism that is implimented,they much prefer democratic methods but as the Working Class dosen't like Poverty,War and government in their lives the numerically miniscle capitialist class turns to more extreme direct control ,the None government in ITALY and the imposition of economists of the IMF is Preparation with the suspending of democratic nationalist forms for the reinvention of the Fascist form of Rule .

    wether successfull or not will depend on the Revolutionary responses of the Working Class and its communist leadership.

    W#e Communists are the true Anti-Fascists we don't argue with them we kill them if given an opurtunity.Just like we did in the second world war ,the US and britian stalled as the RED ARMY slaughtered the Fascist beast.

    The social base of Fascism is the middle class being broken up on one side by the Capitialist class and the Working Class on the other ,frezied middle class social dross that becomes anti-democratic ,Anti-Worker and extremely radical.

    depressions tend to squeeze the Middle class out of existance .
     
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    Republicans in Congress and the White House have been expanding the powers of the federal government since 1861. What time period do you live in? Republicans have not been for smaller government for a long time now and they expand the role of government just as much as democrats (No Child Left Behind, Homeland Security, Patriot Act). Republicans are not about letting businesses fail. Otherwise they never would have bailed out the auto industries or the banks a few years ago. Where were you in 2008?
     
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    Please, the USSR was just as authoritarian, and just as good at getting rid of the undesirables as the NAZIS were. True socialism can only exist in the absence of the state. Otherwise your just trading one master for another.
     
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    good point we Communist wish to totally abolish Government and establish a self regulating society .through the mechanism of a workers Government of course ,very cheap a workers government were no representative will get more renumeration then an average workers wage.stops corruption.
     
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    Libertarian socialists dont want a workers government. They don't want any government. They are anarchists.
     
  18. philxx

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    Excuse me Franco supported the Monarchy,was a Monarchist until the day he died .The problem was for Franco that the King couldn't control the Revolution.

    International Brigades sided with the Republicans.Stalin Betrayed the Revolution and strangled it helping Franco and Hitler ,directly saving Spainish capitialism.
     
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    I think you'll find that for every instance the government has asserted control, it has done so because the private sector has dropped the ball. For example, there would be no Medicare if the private sector had not wanted to insure only the young and healthy. There would be no mine inspectors if the mining companies had made the mines safe to work in. There would be no meat inspectors if the meat packers didn't believe it was okay to sell green meat. There would be no FAA if airliners didn't keep falling out of the sky. Etc. etc. etc. I think you're getting the idea.
     
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    Not in the US. Your using an OLD model of European politics.
     
  21. kilgram

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    In USA and in whole world.

    In USA fascism uses some other kind of populism, but is right wing.

    If in USA the whole politics scene is right wing is not our problem, at all.
     
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    Just goes to show that some liberals are just as ignorant of what a fascist is as some conservatives.....such as yourself.
     
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    Soooooo you want to abolish "government" and replace it with a "workers government"? How does one qualify to be a "worker"? How does a people's government differ from a "workers government"? Other than everybody makes the same amount for their work. And if society is "self regulating", what do you need a "workers government" to do with themselves?
     
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    ????? So you think "populism" is fascism? Well I certainly wouldnt deny that the right in the US favors "populism" while the left favors statism, But thats not fascism.
     
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    Wrong


    The root of the word comes from Italian used to define the government of Fransisco Franco which was....wait for it.....socialist.

    It has been used also to define the one time government of Spain and especially Hitler's Nazi government in Germany.

    You must have forgotten that Nazi stands for "National Socialist Party".

    Fascism is LEFT WING


    There are books on this...its called basic political science
     
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