What Would MuhamMAD do?

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Technically, Mohammed would have committed suicide, he tried that before in fact that was his first option to throw himself off the cliff after the spirit stop appearing to him for months.

    Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night). Quoted from the Sahih (authentic) Hadith (traditions) of Bukhari, [2], Volume 9, number 111.

    Notice that this is from Muslim source the Hadith, and Waraqa was the one who convince Mohammed the spirit was angel Gabriel after that Muslim writers will start injecting the name of Gabriel, even though the angel never actually by himself said or introduce himself to be Gabriel.

    Also, notice how several times Mohammed tried to commit suicide, suicide which in Christianity is a serious sin and the only reason Mohammed wanted to kill himself was because he could not handle the spiritual encounter especially after his supposedly Christian adviser Waraqa suddenly passed away.

    By the way, Gabriel never appear to Moses, it was God himself who appear to Moses this would mean that Waraqa got it wrong too, two wrongs, Mohammed got it wrong, Waraqa got it wrong = many wrongs.:crazy:
     
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    God himself appeared to Moses , ??? WOW - did he . ?? You really believe that, do you ? Hmmm.

    Yep ! every one else is wrong except Wan , , whose so obsessed with the wrongs of others , he's got no time to look - reflect on his own delusions .


    tatty -byeeee.
     
  3. WanRen

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    Does it matter if I believe it or not? This is being base on what Christians and Muslims believe and definitely Muslims got it wrong, Gabriel did not appear to Moses it was God who appear to Moses. Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand what is being discuss???

    Pick up the Quran and Hadith; according to Waraqa the spirit that appear to Mohammed is Gabriel the same Gabriel that appear to Moses.
    According to the Bible: God appear to Moses not Gabriel.

    Secondly; it was Waraqa who convince Mohammed that the spirit was Gabriel, Mohammed was sure it was a jinn that is why he got so scared and run away.

    Thirdly: after Waraqa died, Mohammed tried several times to kill himself. That is why if Mohammed had it his way he would have already successfully killed himself.

    Now, try to stay within the subject matter., do not get distracted and delusion with other topics that is not related to the discussion.
     
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    You are correct.

    Also, Muslims believe that same Gabriel brought the Quran to Muhammed from Heaven...lol...then you have other Muslims who say Muhammed wrote the entire book in a cave by himself.

    Truth is...Muhammed and a few of his henchmen grabbed a Bible, went into a cave and emerged with the blasphemous book called the Quran. and spread it via the sword.

    THAT'S THE TRUTH.
     
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    Oh really, then why do Muslims have to do a Hajj directly to Mecca to march around the Kabba Stone 7 times then?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCAvorxz7Hw

    If that's not a ritual worship ceremony I don't know what is...
     
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    Response: Another failed argument, as the hadiths are filled with the same Angel coming to Muhammad in which Muhammad identifies the Angel as Gabriel, thus proving that the Angel was in fact Gabriel because the angel never rejected being identified so. As for Muhammad attempting to committ suicide, the hadith itself clearly says "as we have heard that", thus proving that they heard that Muhammad attempted to do so, not that he actually did it. Debunked as usual.

    Yet we can read your own bible and find God riding on a cherub (2 Samuels 22: 11) which is depicted as an animal with wings or a young naked woman with wings. Such a foolish claim is evidence that your own bible is deluded and distorted, while the qur'an and sunnah holds as evidence that islam is true.
     
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    Taqqiyah.

    Let's jump to this...much more important. GRAVEN IMAGES.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCAvorxz7Hw
     
  8. WanRen

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    The only thing that you have proven and refuted is that you being a Muslim do not understand your own Islam and is making things up that is contrary to what is written in the Quran and Hadith thus furthering the corruption of Islam. This is typical of Muslims. You can not provide proof that the Hadith or the Quran clearly identity the initial encounter of Mohammed with the spirit that Mohammed immediately identify it as Gabriel at the same time, the spirit did not identify himself to be Gabriel. Truly, you are being dishonest to yourself and corrupting (actually it is already corrupt) further the Quran and Hadith.

    How can you read our Bible when you can not even understand your own simple Quran which only half the size of the Bible. I suggest go and understand your Quran and Hadith before criticise the Bible because what ever criticism you launch against the Bible is a reflection of Medusa that you are criticising your Quran, 2 Samuel 22:11 is what you said it is because that is how Islam educate Muslims to become uneducated.
     
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    Yes, because stories passed down hundreds of years after Muhammad's death are 100% reliable. Right. You obviously aren't familiar with the process of transmission or the nature of the hadith and other traditions about Muhammad.
     
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    Please educate me.
     
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    Response: To the contrary, the proof has been presnted several times to you throughout the forum that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah and the Sunnah is authentic in the qur'an challenge, as the qur'an challenge provides a hands on-eyewitness account that inspiring enough followers to conquer a nation, or just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literature that goes against what the people want is humanly impossible, because anyone who takes the challenge will fail and not come close to answering it. And since it is clearly humanly impossible to use human-made speech/literature to achieve the act, then that means that the Qur'an that Muhammad used to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation was not the invention of any human/s, but from one who has greater power and authority than humans, and that is Allah. Debunked as usual.

    Yet we read your bible and see many discrepancies, such as God riding a cherubim (2 Samuels 22:11) and having sex with a girl then becoming upset when she cheats on him and beomes a whore (Ezekiel 16: 1-6, 38-40). Filth from your own Bible probes that it is not the word or inspired word of God. Debunked as usual.
     
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    Response: Muhammed was a child molester who married a 9yr old girl. talk about Filth.
     
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    Response: Yet no where in the Qur'an or Sunnah is Muhammad mentioned to rape anyone, thus attributing rape to where it was never mentioned proves that such a trifling ideology stems from your own perverted ideology, not islam. Talk about filth.
     
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    Response: Muhammed married a 9yr. old girl. If he had sex with her, that was statutory rape.

    FILTH
     
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    Response: To the contrary, statutory rape during the time of Muhammad would be sex before puberty, yet Muhammad engaged in sexual relations in marriage after the age of puberty, thus debunking your perverted ideology yet again.
     
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    Response: Prove it. You have no proof that Muhammed didn't have sex with that 9 yr. old. NONE. if so provide the proof and you can go. Until then, I will have you on the hook. FILTH
     
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    Response: No one denied that Muhammad didn't have sex with a 9 year old, thus failing to prove a point yet again. Even if Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old, it was done so in a consensual marriage at the age of puberty, Thus it is for you to provide proof that such an act was harmful to his wife. YOU HAVE NONE. Making your ideology perverted and degrading, not islam. Debunked as usual.
     
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    Sorry to disappoint you but the only thing you refuted is that the Bible is the true word of God and that Quran and Hadith including Sunnah now that you have mention it are all in conflict with each other. Many times you have no answer as to why Mohammed told Khadija and Waraqa the spirit was a jinn, why Isa need a decoy to be crucified if he is not the son of God? why the decoy and or Isa did not testify to the Pharisee that he is not the son of God? Why didn't Gabriel introduce himself to Mohammed? Who told Mohammed the spirit was Gabriel? Where is the book that Muslims claim was given to Mohammed in the cave? Where is it written in the Quran that tells Muslims that the Bible is corrupt? etc. etc. etc.

    The only thing that Mohammed inspire were warriors to kill, rape and pillage that is why Muslims up to now do not recognize any of their atrocities because for them there is no such word or action that is "atrocities" "KILL THEM WERE EVER YOU FIND THEM" that is the inspiration of Mohammed.

    Many times the Quran clearly authenticatedthe Bible, while Muslim try very hard to find authentication from the Bible to no avail. You have repeatedly debunk yourself over and over again, can read and knowing how to read are two different things; Muslims are taught to can read not know how to read. A few Muslims who know how to read and try to provide proper education to other Muslims have been punish.

    Yes,
    .. that is why Muslims practice such bad and horrible behaviour they all want to emulate Mohammed.
     
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    See here above you said this^^^ then here bleow you say this...


    It's so easy to catch Muslims in lies. I love doing it.

    Response: YOU ARE DISMISSED
     
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    Response: Another failed argument, as your logic is dependent upon the bible, which is proven to be the work of man and not the word or inspired word of God with such discrepancies such as:

    Lev.14: 49-53- To clean the house from a plague, sprinkle the house with the blood of dead birds.

    Lev.12: 1-5- females are born double polluted than males.

    Luke 14:26- You must hate your family to be a disciple of Jesus.

    Ephes.5: 22-24- women must submit to their husbands.

    Isaiah 7:20 God shaves with a high razor.

    2 Samuels 22:11- God rides on a cherub.( Animal with wings or a naked female with wings).

    Furthermore, your questions are strawmen, as none of them point to any discrepancy in the Qur'an, thus further supporting the fact that it is the true word of Allah. Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    Response: Quote your Quran, stop trying to dig into the Bible as if you know anything about it.

    Response 2: example Luke 14:26, refers to mankind giving up the ignorance taught by your family. See God knew that mankind would be subject to a host of lies even from your own family, so it's a verse that tells us to hate what they are talking about concerning GOD, not hate them literally.

    Get your head out of the Saudi sands. The Bible is the ONLY true Holy Book. the rest are
    knock-offs of the Bible
     
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    Response: The statement "No one denied that Muhammad didn't have sex with a 9 year old" is not the opposite of "yet Muhammad engaged in sexual relations in marriage after the age of puberty", thus your bogus claim of a lie is only an example of another deluded non-muslim who can't comprehend simple basic english.

    It's easy to debunk a deluded non-muslim. I love doing it. DEBUNKED AS USUAL.
     
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    Taqqiyah.

    You first claim he didn't have sex with the child, then you claim he did have sex with her but only after puberty. But you can't quote that from the Quran. why is that?

    NEWSFLASH! A 9YR.OLD IS NOT IN PUBERTY YET!
     
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    Response: Yet the words "giving up the ignorance taught by your family" is no where mentioned in the verse, thus your weak interpolation fails. Thus the verse still holds a degrading discrepancy in your own bible, thus proving it is not the word or inspired word of God. Debunked as usual.
     
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    Who wrote the Quran?

    Let's see how many differrent answers you come up with.
     

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