Lying for Islam

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  1. Trinnity

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    Uh huh.

    Tell that to the families of the victims on 9/11 and Nidal Hasan.


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  2. Hummingbird

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    You know, Margot, I'm beginning to think there's a very blurry line b/t your world of reality and fantasy...... you post this link of what Muslim women wear - elaborate evening gowns, some split up the side and showing their cleavage?

    Why do you post such silly lies that don't even make any sense?
     
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    People have both physical needs and spiritual needs. Muslim is a kind of religion having 1.4 billion believer. Recall the time before renaissance in europe, religion govern the land, no scientific advance. But it also last for 500 years. Modern society progress is contributed by Ancient Greek Philosophy and materialism. But with knowledges we've learned so far, we can't explain everything. The inside of nature is not as simple as mathematics.
    As the productivty are increasing, there are more and more demand for crude-oil where many countries are muslim. They are less powerful in international business negotiation. So conflict between Muslim and Christian are becoming inevitable.
     
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    Im sure you people have developed a keyboard macro which automatically types in 9/11 to every post. Its like the internet equivalent of a shreiking dumb but noisy parrot
    sqaaark! 9/11 9/11 sqarrrk! 9/11 9/11
     
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    Because he bothers to find out rather than unquestioningly accepting the crap that Fox feeds you? That might give you a clue.
     
  6. Trinnity

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    Weak argument.

    FAIL

    Btw, I corrected your spelling.

    Loser.
     
  7. ian

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    Polly want a cracker?
     
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    Read the preponderance of Margot's posts to see that Muhammadans incessantly lie for the good of Islam.
     
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    Not by so-called moderates, but by blasphemous apostates and secularists that should be executed according to devout Muhammadans and Islam.
     
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    You have yet to learn what apostate means in Islam...... Pity.
     
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    No...why don't you school us.
     
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    Whatever your religion or lack of religion, if you are a criminal you are apostate.
     
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    Try blaming the terrorists instead of an entire demographic next time.
     
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    Saying you are Muslim and living like one are two different things.

    The guidelines set out by the prophet have not changed over time, let me assure you.
     
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    "Our" prophet? That's implying you're a bit close to Islam in.
     
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    sorry...typo.
    Meant to type "the"
    I changed it.
     
  17. ObamaYoMoma

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    So according to your taqiyya, apostates are criminals. So an apostate isn’t someone who leaves his or her religion, but instead a criminal? Hence, we all need to cease using the word criminal and start using the word apostate instead according to Margot’s lame and idiotic prevarications and lies.

    Hmm…if your mendacious assertions are true, then hands and feet wouldn’t be amputated for petty crimes in the Islamic world, since those guilty would automatically be executed, as that is the proscribed punishment for apostasy. Well then how do you explain the fact that amputations of limbs for petty crimes take place pretty ubiquitously throughout the Islamic world on a pretty (*)(*)(*)(*) regular and routine basis?

    Okay, irrespective of your lies and prevarications meant to deceive even though they are so transparent they couldn’t possibly deceive anyone, what is the proscribed penalty for leaving Islam?

    I mean when Muhammad says in the following Hadith, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him,” he was just joking? According to you, he really didn’t mean it.

    Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)

    How about in the following Hadith:

    Abd-Allah ibn Masood said : The Messenger of Allah said : “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, except in one of three cases : a soul (in case of murder) ; a married person who commits adultery ; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of Muslims.” Sahih Al Bukhary number 6484 and Sahih Muslim number 1676

    He was joking again according to you? He really didn’t mean it?

    Oh yeah, if apostasy doesn’t have anything to do with leaving Islam since according to you it refers to criminals instead, then how do you explain the latest PEW Opinion Survey of the Islamic world from June of last year that found 85 percent of Egyptians believe that any Muhammadan that leaves their religion should be executed per the dictates of Islam? Actually, the percentage of Muhammadans is even higher than that when you take into account that 10 to 12 percent of the Egypt’s population consists of highly oppressed Copts.
     
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    Mohammed didn't say anything in the Hadiths.

    The English word apostate is interpreted as traitor in Arabic.

    If you commit a capial offense against the community you are apostate.

    And it doesn't matter if you are a Jew, Muslim, Christian or pagan.

    The concept is apparently beyond your comprehension.

    Ten Commandments in Islam


    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr10cisl.htm
     
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    Actually, all Muhammadans are jihadists. However, you obviously don’t understand what jihad is as jihad can take place via violent jihad or by stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad, and just because most Muhammadans only partake in the non-violent variety as opposed to the violent variety, it doesn’t mean they aren’t jihadists.

    Indeed, the jihad ideology, which is the obligation for all Muhammadans to wage jihad by any and all means against unbelievers for the spread of Islam couldn’t be more mainstream in Islam as it is taught and advocated by all sects within Sunni and Shi’a Islam and also taught and advocated by all schools of Islamic jurisprudence in both Sunni and Shi’a Islam. In fact, mass Muhammadan immigration to the West is a form of stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad we call demographic conquest and the Muslim Brotherhood defines as civilizational jihad.

    Hence, when you say to blame the terrorists instead of all Muhammadans, it couldn’t be more obvious that you don’t have the first clue about Islam except for what you naively assume. However, contrary to what you naively believe all Muhammadans are jihadists. They may not be violent jihadists, because the violent variety of jihad is the least prevalent form of jihad, but nonetheless they are jihadists just the same, as they are all striving in the way of Allah for the same ultimate goal, to make Islam supreme throughout the world.
     
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    I don't think you should be telling me I'm naive about anything. You might want to read up on how "Muhammadan" isn't a widely used modern term anymore nor is it even widely accepted by Muslims.

    Second of all if all of the 1.57 billion Muslims in the world wanted the same goal don't you think there'd be some anti-American rallies in America right now? On a daily basis?
     
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    Striving in the way of Allah includes the Islamic version of the Ten commandments found in the koran..
     
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    What about the two Hadiths I copied and pasted verbatim in my previous post, are they a figment of my imagination?

    That’s right an apostate is synonymous with being a traitor in Islam. Indeed, they are worse than an infidel. Thus, the proscribed punishment is death.

    Islam’s fundamental purpose and main goal is to make Islam supreme throughout the entirety of the world. Hence, if it allowed people to apostatize, it would be self-defeating, as most adherents would eventually leave that draconian and barbaric ideology.

    Which is what leaving Islam or apostasy is considered to be in Islam a capital offense, and Islam is unique in the world in that regard, and that also sets it apart from true faith-based religions, as no faith-based religions punishes apostates under the pain of death. Hence, when someone claims that Islam is a religion or equates Islam with faith-based religions, it is obvious they either don’t have the first clue what Islam really is or otherwise like you they are intentionally trying to be deceptive.

    Apostasy is apostasy in all religions as the word apostate refers to one who leaves his religion for any reason. However, with respect to Islam, it is clear that most people don’t have a clue what Islam really is and because Islam claims to be a religion for reasons of stealth and deception, they naively assume it to be a religion. Nevertheless, Islam isn’t a faith-based religion, which is also the reason why in stark contrast to faith-based religions, it punished apostates under the pain of death.

    In addition, Islam may have initially started out as being a religion, but after the Hijra Muhammad clearly morphed Islam into something else, which is a theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world into Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal. It is also the reason why apostasy in Islam is a capital offense, whereas no true faith-based religions have capital offenses for anything much less apostasy.

    Furthermore, blasphemy is also a capital offense in Islam. Thus, for instance, if a Muhammadan so much as questions or challenges the jihad ideology, that Muhammadan would commit the capital offense of blasphemy. Hence, he would be declared an apostate and be executed.

    Anyway, let’s here your excuse for blasphemy being punished under the pain of death in stark contrast to true faith-based religions.

    Actually, even though I’m not a Muhammadan like you, I have already forgotten more about Islam than you will ever come close to knowing.

    Yeah Muhammad stole the Ten Commandments from Judaism and Christianity. However, because Islam is dualistic in nature, the Ten Commandments only apply to believers, while an entirely different set of rules and ethics cover unbelievers.
     
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    Here is a Comparison of the Ten Commandments.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr10cisl.htm

    Islam is also a faith based religion.. They just don't believe in blood sacrifice and like the Jews they don't believe Jesus was the Son of God.


    As for the Virgin Mary:

    Mary is one of the most highly-regarded women in Islam; there are several verses in the Qur'an praising her and confirming that she was an extremely chaste and pious woman.

    Mohammed, said: "Mary has the highest place in heaven"
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    Your hatred and ignorance says a great deal about you, youmomma.
     
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    Actually, I could care less if the term isn’t as popular as it once was, and pointing out that you are jaw-dropping naïve is an observation that is exceedingly obvious.

    Yeah right…and expose and put in jeopardy at the same time their stealth global jihad simultaneously. Why should they be so stupid? I mean until the previous post, you weren’t even aware of the stealth and deceptive non-violent variety of jihad, and now you want them to shoot themselves in the foot by holding anti-American rallies?
     
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    One of the things that makes Islam unique in the world is Islam is a dualistic system since it divides the world between believers and unbelievers. Hence, Islam has one set of rules and ethnics for believers, and a completely different set of rules and ethnics for unbelievers, and striving in the way of Allah by waging jihad against unbelievers for the spread of Islam definitely doesn’t include applying the Ten Commandments to unbelievers.
     

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