Some people think we need less government

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  1. mutmekep

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    What the hell are you talking about ? me and my mates were not around in 1920 .
     
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  3. PrometheusBound

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    You do realize that all the straws in that strawman will give your Kool-Aid drinkers hiccups, don't you? Let them sip it instead of suck it.

    All this Libretardian talk about Capitaliban collusion with the government is motivated by a desire to increase their Masters' wealth by cutting out the expenses of campaign finance, lobbying,
    and other bribery. There's more of course. By limiting government, the Bosses' Band of Bootlickers will eliminate the people's ability to stand up to the hereditary plutocratic oligarchy.

    The Libretardians start out saying something that sounds Liberal or populist, "The corporations control the government."

    But then, when they think they have someone hooked, they pop out with, "So let's get rid of the government." And their eyes glow and shine, as if teeny light bulbs turned on in their optical canal. Their glazed look of satisfaction indicates that they think they've suckered another fool into joining their cult.
     
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    If someone suggests that there should be radical changes in the Police Academy, does that mean he wants to fire all policemen who had been trained there and let the criminals run loose? If we pay people a salary in college, we will get the most talented people and get them to study. Sacrifice has no merit, it is only brown-nosing. Of course, the children of the rich get plenty of money to live on in college, making education primarily about your Daddy buying you a job.
     
  5. johnmayo

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    Oh for sure, we should make high school graduates and high school dropouts send their money to the well off and soon to be well off in college, but only after they subsidize their tuition.

    (Sarcastic of course, I dont belive in stealing from everyone and giving to the well off like you do)

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    Couldn't find a SINGLE corporation that gets it money by cheating except through government huh? I figured you wouldn't. Go on and tell me about my masters, and you keep paying half your worth to them every year, less they hunt you down and throw you in jail.

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    Would it be better if those people were unemployed?
     
  6. PrometheusBound

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    Even worse, some of the heirs of Capitaliban looting convince themselves that they are Liberals and, because of their Daddy's Money, are placed into controlling positions in the government. Their incurable childhood disease of Class Supremacy drives them against what they publicly believe in to purposely make government inefficient, proving that an Heirhead can never be democratic. On the surface, they have an undeserved "born to rule" attitude and are too snobbish to get into the detailed work that it takes to make an organization run efficiently, As an even deeper sign of their unfitness, hidden inside them they also have a subconscious desire to wreck government because of their childhood brainwashing when their Daddies created in them a permanent hatred of government. They are unconscious agents of the anti-government clique. They lie to themselves about what truly motivates them. At puberty, they rejected Daddy's politics only because they rejected Daddy's negligent parenting. They are totally obsessed with that and are incapable of realizing that they never rejected their pre-teen brainwashing that government is an evil that has to be destroyed. There is no other reason for government being more poorly managed than business.
     
  7. johnmayo

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    lol...when regulations and government go away you will have more competition. In the mean time who are you to second guess the choices made by consumers so far? People like Wal Mart even if you do not.
     
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    Debt slavery is nothing new, neither are sticky wages, its not really a shocker that our governent that has the power to regulate markets has been overtaken by corporate money for the purpose of monopolizing markets.

    Raising the minimum wage serves big corporation by eliminating rising competition and a smaller job pool for unskilled labor.

    A huge problem working class people are facing is inflation that has made the money they make worth less.

    Our government our culture encourages debt, this is corporate government thing, its not from the market directly, or capitalism, its cronyism.

    Nader and his raiders have good intentions, but asking government to grow to fix problems it lies at the root of is an incredibly naive way to take action.

    The solution is to shrink government so it doesn't have the power to pick winners and losers in the market so the big boys stop making bad decisions and small business's aren't prevented from rising up in competition.
     
  9. Libertarian ForOur Future

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    I agree with most of your statements and believe in that form of capitalism. The only difference I have is when you say 'limit the sheer size of corporate conglomerates'. The reason I say that is because I don't believe in limiting the size of corporations, I believe, their sheer size, is through lobbying and corrupt politicians that have created legislation that only benefit their corrupt friends and sap out the competition in the market. Thus, they get to control prices, they get to control the amount of goods produced, and they essentially dictate our lives to us. The two very much go hand in hand. Corrupt government mixed in with corrupt companies equal we're all getting raped by them.

    My stance on this is the cut out the BS regulation/legislation that only benefit the top 1%. Then the continual aspect of rising prices through inflation, companies making record profits, all leads to folks clamoring for more regulation. What happens, from there, is regulation/legislation is passed down, but it's only there to enable those top 1% folks. Thus, you get the Walmarts, the Monsanto's, the Merik's, the Goldman Sach's, the HSBC's, and everyone else in between. Why? Because they've gotten too effing big and they control so much of everything, that we're basically effed either way. That's exactly how they want it and that's exactly how they planned it. Their combined efforts have put us in this situation.

    What's even more appalling is that they'll growing in strength through these rough times while we're getting weaker. Funny how that works. Where you would think they'd also hurt in this rough economic times, they are simply only becoming stronger because of it. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...
     
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    "The solution is to shrink government so it doesn't have the power to pick winners and losers in the market ..."

    Taxcutter says:
    That's what I've said all along.




    "...they've gotten too effing big..."

    Taxcutter says:
    If so, pull the trigger on Sherman Anti-Trust. Normally I don't like this but when you're too big to fail, you're too big.
     
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    If those who wrote the constitution meant for the federal government we have today, it would have been thousands of pages long, and that's not including the advertisements.
     
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    Any country that pays students for their grades will pound your slave-educated economy into powder. America has become the stagnant and collapsing society our forefathers emigrated from, a society comprising spoiled lazy aristocrats and worshipful peasants who actually liked getting dirt kicked into their faces by the shiny boots of the Heirheads.
     
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    lol...You mean, like a scholarship based on merit rather then race or previous social class? The Democrats would never go for it, but if you move to a red state they have that. Florida has such a program, I got college for free b/c of it thanks to my grades and SAT scores. Voluntary funding through lotto too, they don't threaten anyone with violence to get it.

    To be honest though, college means very little and undergrad even less so. When you get out of college you will understand. To pay someone to earn a degree that will land them a better job, and to take that money by force from the worker is wrong. I know you want to look after the well off like yourself at the expense of society at large, but the worker is getting squeezed by this government and they can't afford to give you more money so that you will never know any sacrifice, or have to pay for the things you want.

    In either event, to the extent college grades do matter those people get paid more when they enter the private market. Assuming they don't grow up to be socialists that complain that they have to show up to a job interview and prove to someone other then themselves that they are valuable employees.
     
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    It's unfortunate that people don't understand that in a free market it is in the best interest of the businesses to provide quality service, products, and reputation. Bad business will simply lead to a loss of consumers or clients which is not conducive to their success. They should absolutely abolish the FDA and similar administrations. Remove the regulations and let there be a powerful incentive to build reputations for impeccable quality.
     
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    I'm no political science major but it's rather obvious that the chasm between Conservatives and liberals is greater than ever. How long have we had a mixed economy for now? And how long can it stay mixed with half the American people opposing the other half? Either the government grows or it doesn't, and I think you know which unfortunate direction it's heading. I know I'm preaching to the choir here in regards to the ineptitude of the government (dictator-in-chief), but it's true. Cradle-to-grave entitlements and growing regulatory states and Government mandated healthcare methods are stultifying the nation and our freedom. We need to phase people off certain programs and immediately jettison others. The title of the post is "some people think we need less government," I hate the word NEED because it reminds me of the people who feel they're entitled to healthcare, welfare or food assistance because they need it. What's more baffling is that they claim this with no guilt at the fact that it is at another persons expense. It is what it is, but it's not right. Collectivism/ governments expanding dictatorial role is wrong. Sorry brother, I disagree with being your healthcare provider.
     
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    Food stamps are what happens when 20 percent of the workforce works for the government and the rest of us have to pay their salaries which on average are much larger than their own.
     
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    Tuition is paid to the university, not to the person who is improving the national talent pool. He has to get by on part-time jobs and live like a little boy afraid to grow up. The people who imposed this indentured servitude know perfectly well that anyone with self-respect will drop out, so they make sure their spoiled brats live on an allowance big enough to be equal to that of someone with a good full-time job. The ruling class's hypocrisy on that proves that they don't have a right to tell us what we have to do. As a punishment for their tyranny, their brats' inheritance should be confiscated and paid up front to the true heirs: the most talented people in the next generation. In the NBA, Larry Bird brought billions of dollars of White fans' money into the league. But Michael Jordan and other true heirs benefited from that, not Larry Bird, Junior.

    So you think that someone who makes money off his degree should be punished by living in permanently damaging student poverty in order to make things even? You think that society doesn't benefit from educated people, that it's just a selfish achievement as if there were a major in Casino Gambling? The fact is that society gains $400,000 off each college graduate, and that's even with today's preppies and no-talent brown-noses. If we paid people when they were in college, that would get the most talented people and get them to study. They'd be worth at least a million each. But business and society want a free ride on this. By their stingy selfishness, all they get is Diploma Dumboes. And by the way, Socialism is a fake ideology made up by your precious Heirheads.
     
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    Laissez-faire fairy tale. In the adult world, the Capitaliban only compete to see who can cheat his employees and customers the most.
     
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    So the government should buy homework from people instead of usefull things and encourage universities to dumb down classes?

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    So the government should buy homework from people instead of usefull things and encourage universities to dumb down classes?
     
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    Total and complete nonsense.



    Funny thing. Had Easter dinner at a relative's house. Total republican household. Listened to them whine about Obama over and over. One said "The government has no business being involved in healthcare". Long story short, I joined in and the conversation became a bit "heated". These folks don't want government involved etc,etc (standard right wing rhetoric). The three involved in the conversation insisting the government get dis-involved are just a touch hypocritical (again, standard right wing mentality) cause, one retired working for the city, the son works for the city (got his job with dad's "connections"), and the third works for the state. All government employees. ROFL!!! You couldn't make this crap up!

    I hate republicans.
     
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    It WOULD be better for those people to be unemployed, absolutely. They sold themselves into slavery. I say if you're going to be a slave for virtually non existent wages, you're only screwing yourself. If my work can't be compensated for in a reasonably sustainable manner, then why work? Seriously, why let fat cats fatten themselves up on your work in exchange for practically nothing? You get what you pay for, or not. People are suckers.
     
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    I.e. less plutocracy, the age-old problem that creeps up in every system of government. The people who desire wealth and power invariably corrupt and destroy any well-meaning system over time like a cancer.
     
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