Muslim Demographics in Europe

spt5 · Mar 11, 2012

DutchClogCyborg said: ↑

Every few months this pops up, the story is wrong however there is a clear threat that the low birth rates of germans / Italians / Spanish will make those nations likely to become cesspools full of 3rd world immigrants who share nothing in common or have any form of solidarity.
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This is only a repetition of history. The last time this happened was in the Transylvania province of historic Hungary, where Romanians played the part that Muslims play today in the west. So the final outcome is no mystery.

The regions of western European countries where Muslim population will rise above 50 % will break away from their current state/country administration and become independent Islamic countries. (Also these new countries will annex important trade centers near their borders even if those are less than 50 % Muslim.)

This is gonna be fun to watch. I would like to take bets about the new borders of France and the new borders of Germany. Deal anyone?

frozy · Mar 11, 2012

Ostap Bender said: ↑

Europa is already lost, it will be a Caliphate with the Sharia law within forty years.
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historically , some parts of it were Caliphate with the Sharia law for couple of centuries and other for couple of decades

sablegsd · Mar 11, 2012

spt5 said: ↑

I am a Christian American, and I am white, and I don't care about the ME, BUT a Europe united in a single religion is a LOT better than a Europe united in a bank trick that is no better than trying to make money for one member nation at the expence of another.

All in all, it is a VERY positive future for Europe, if it can become islamic and leave its tribalistic nationalistic conflicts behind that way.
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You can't be serious. Been to dearbornistan lately?

You, Christian, White American will be killed or forced into the cult of the devil. I suggest you do some research.

GeneralZod · Mar 12, 2012

ObamaYoMoma said: ↑

Unlike in Europe, the American Education System wasn't corrupted by a cabal of self-hating delusional Leftists, Muslim infiltrators, and Saudi and Gulf State Emirate petro-dollars. Hence, unlike you Euroloons, Americans aren't indoctrinated cradle to grave to believe in false PC multicultural myths and misconceptions about Islam.

For instance, the notion that Islam is a historic religion is totally absurd and utterly false. Islam is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible societies it intends to subjugate into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the eventual imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

Indeed, take a good look at the Islamic world, all you see is draconian Islamic totalitarianism everywhere you look. Not only that, but the Christians and other non-Muslim unbelievers living in the draconian Islamic totalitarian world as less than second-class dhimmi citizens are all violently oppressed and systematically persecuted, when not outright slaughtered altogether. Take a good look at those Christian and other non-Muslim unbelievers living throughout the Islamic world as less than second-class dhimmi citizens, because that will inevitably be you Euroloon's futures.

As for as understanding Europe goes, all you need to know is that every institution in Europe has been hijacked and co-opted by a cabal of self-hating delusional Leftists and Muslim infiltrators. Thus, today Western Europe is marching towards Islamic subjugation like lambs to the slaughter. Indeed, what is going on in Nigeria today, will be going on throughout Western Europe starting in 15 to 20 years from now if not sooner.

Indeed, 15 to 20 years ago, most Nigerians scoffed at the idea that Nigeria would eventually become Islamic. Well, today they aren't scoffing anymore.
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That is why this forum is fun. I can read americans like you, running around like a headless chicken.

Hmm I have no idea what to say to your rambling nonsense. Only that is is amusing in its own way.

Anders Hoveland · Mar 17, 2012

The real issue is the much higher fertility rates amongst muslims, compared to the declining replacement rate amongst europeans.

The state of California is an excellent example of the dramatic change that can happen in only a few decades. Whites are already a minority there, and the hispanics have been having so many babies that more than half the children in California are now hispanic. All this immigration and high fertility rates have also caused problems. California now has more people than the entire country of Canada, and housing has become increasingly unaffordable as a result. Not to mention the environmental damage.

kilgram · Mar 26, 2012

raymondo said: ↑

Don ,
I want you to cheer up despite all this terrible news for you .
No . Muslims are not going to take over the North Pole .
Now get yourself a nice job that you enjoy and keeps you busy . Try and find some nice Muslim work pals and get your brain washed out and sparked for a more positive outlook . Perhaps you will meet a beautiful young Muslim woman and fall in love .
Then we will have Don the fanatic Multiculturist .
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And the best is that all this xenophoby coming from countries where they almost no have immigration, compared to the countries of South Europe. And there is much less racism and xenophoby.

And the best is that with that message he has showed what party he should vote, and that is the worst :-S

Phil K · Mar 28, 2012

GeneralZod said: ↑

That is why this forum is fun. I can read americans like you, running around like a headless chicken.

Hmm I have no idea what to say to your rambling nonsense. Only that is is amusing in its own way.
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There are so many like yourself on this forum, full of self-importance and constantly wallowing in self-praise. And what council are YOU "employed" with ?

Phil K · Mar 28, 2012

frozy said: ↑

historically , some parts of it were Caliphate with the Sharia law for couple of centuries and other for couple of decades
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You are classing Turkey or the Balkans or maybe Albania, as "europe" aren't you ?

frozy · Mar 28, 2012

Phil K said: ↑

You are classing Turkey or the Balkans or maybe Albania, as "europe" aren't you ?
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Well when you say Balkans, you automatically refer to Albania as a part of it and yes, it belongs to European continent, or you're have something to prove otherwise anyways, I don't refer to Balkans only, most of Southern Europe used to be a Caliphate for some time, including Spain and islands and territories that belong to today's Italy and 10 % of Turkish territory does belong to the Europe, so why wouldn't I mention them.

kilgram · Mar 29, 2012

frozy said: ↑

Well when you say Balkans, you automatically refer to Albania as a part of it and yes, it belongs to European continent, or you're have something to prove otherwise anyways, I don't refer to Balkans only, most of Southern Europe used to be a Caliphate for some time, including Spain and islands and territories that belong to today's Italy and 10 % of Turkish territory does belong to the Europe, so why wouldn't I mention them.
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Yeah were part of the Caliphate hundreds of year ago, and?

Try_This · Mar 29, 2012

The OP is true.
One has to laugh at trying to debunk a youtube with an zany idiotic one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html

Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent
The EU is facing an era of vast social change, reports Adrian Michaels, and few politicians are taking notice
By Adrian Michaels 08 Aug 2009

Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society. Photo: AFP/GETTY

Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.

The numbers are startling. Only 3.2% of Spain's population was foreign-born in 1998. In 2007 it was 13.4%. Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015.

In Brussels, the top 7 baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza.

Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society.
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How dramatic are the population changes? Everyone is aware that certain neighbourhoods of certain cities in Europe are becoming more Muslim, and that the change is gathering pace. But raw details are hard to come by as the data is sensitive: many countries in the EU do not collect population statistics by religion.

EU numbers on general immigration tell a story on their own. In the latter years of the 20th century, the 27 countries of the EU attracted half a million more people a year than left.

"Since 2002, however," the latest EU report says, "net migration into the EU has roughly tripled to between 1.6 million and two million people per year."

The increased pace has made a Nonsense of previous forecasts. In 2004 the EU thought its population would decline by 16 million by 2050. Now it thinks it will increase by 10 million by 2060. Britain is expected to become the most populous EU country by 2060, with 77 million inhabitants. Right now it has 20 million fewer people than Germany. Italy's population was expected to fall precipitously; now it is predicted to stay flat.

The study for the US Air Force by Leon Perkowski in 2006 found that there were at least 15 million Muslims in the EU, and possibly as many as 23 million. They are not uniformly distributed, of course. According to the US's Migration Policy Institute, residents of Muslim faith will account for more than 20% of the EU population by 2050 but already do so in a number of cities. Whites will be in a minority in Birmingham by 2026,says Christopher Caldwell, an American journalist, and even sooner in Leicester.

Another forecast holds that Muslims could outnumber non-Muslims in France and perhaps in all of western Europe by mid-century. Austria was 90% Catholic in the 20th century but Islam could be the majority religion among Austrians aged under 15 by 2050, says Mr Caldwell.

Projected growth rates are a disputed area. Birth rates can be difficult to predict and migrant numbers can ebb and flow. But Karoly Lorant, a Hungarian economist who wrote a paper for the European Parliament, calculates that Muslims already make up 25% of the population in Marseilles and Rotterdam, 20% in Malmo, 15% in Brussels and Birmingham and 10% in London, Paris and Copenhagen.
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The EU says employment rates for non-EU nationals are lower than for nationals, which holds back economic advancement and integration. One important reason for this is a lack of language skills. The Migration Policy Institute says that, in 2007, 28% of children born in England and Wales had at least one foreign-born parent. That rose to 54% in London. Overall in 2008, 14.4% of children in primary schools had a language other than English as their first language.
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and now, 3 years after the above article, the conservative numbers within are as bad or worse than expected.

alexa · Mar 29, 2012

Try_This said: ↑

The OP is true.
One has to laugh at trying to debunk a youtube with an zany idiotic one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hic-time-bomb-transforming-our-continent.html
by European culture and society. Photo: AFP/GETTY
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3 years on and still 'trying this'.

All totally debunked.

Adrian Michaels is the Group Foreign Editor at the Telegraph Media Group responsible for its network of correspondents and world news output. He previously worked with TMG editor-in-chief Will Lewis at the Financial Times, where he served for 15 years, the last four of it as its Milan correspondent.[1]

On 8 August 2009 two articles appeared under Michaels' byline characterizing Muslim Europeans as a 'demographic time bomb', who he claims will constitute one fifth of the population by 2050. The first article attributes the claim to 'various sources', all of them unnamed.[2] As the accompanying article reveals, the more outlandish claims come from neoconservative columnist Christopher Caldwell[3] In the article he lamented:

Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.

After acknowledging that Muslims aren't the only recent immigrants to Europe, Michaels adds:

But Muslims represent a particular set of issues beyond the fact that atrocities have been committed in the West in the name of Islam.

Michaels then goes on to quote Christopher Caldwell of the neoconservative Weekly Standard for claims such as:

Whites will be in a minority in Birmingham by 2026, says Christopher Caldwell, an American journalist, and even sooner in Leicester. Another forecast holds that Muslims could outnumber non-Muslims in France and perhaps in all of western Europe by mid-century. Austria was 90 per cent Catholic in the 20th century but Islam could be the majority religion among Austrians aged under 15 by 2050, says Mr Caldwell.

The article also uses Policy Exchange as a source.
Criticism

Inflammatory language such as 'timebomb' aside, these claims are based on neoconservative myths that have been repeatedly debunked, by Newsweek[4] and the BBC[5] among others. Commenting on Caldwell and Bruce Bawer (another proponent of the Eurabia myth) Eliot Weinberger writes in the London Review Blog, 'there are two sets of population statistics: those of the Islamophobes and those of everyone else'.

The general consensus is that Muslims now make up merely 3.6 per cent of the population of Western Europe, and the fertility rate of European Muslims is a fraction of 1 per cent higher than that of Christians. Allowing that second and third and fourth generations of immigrants tend to be better educated and have higher incomes, and thus have less children, and that intermarriage is common, it doesn’t seem likely there will be ever be a muzzein at the top of the Eiffel Tower, let alone, as the I-phobes warn, Sharia law in Denmark and Britain.[6]
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http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Adrian_Michaels

Christopher Caldwell

Christopher Caldwell is a columnist for the Financial Times, a contributing editor for the New York Times Magazine and a senior editor at the Weekly Standard.[1] He is a leading proponent of Eurabia and of the New anti-Semitism thesis.[2][3]
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http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Christopher_Caldwell

Eurabia

http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Eurabia

Bigotry never listens to reality despite being debunked again and again. Such people learned nothing from the 1930's - or maybe they did and want to create same again???????

Try_This · Mar 29, 2012

Your website 'powerbase'.

powerbase said:

Criticism

Inflammatory language such as 'timebomb' aside, these claims are based on neoconservative myths..
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"based on neoconservative myths"?
"Michaels Does Eurabia"?

That's obviously a highly political bunch of Jerkoffs.
That's no objective response.
They use Wikipedia's format but are themselves akin to Indymedia and the like.
They are a project of 'spinwatch', apparently a leftist propaganda site.

Adrian Michaels:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/apr/22/dailytelegraph.sundaytelegraph

http://www.charlierose.com/guest/view/1906

Adrian Michaels is an English business and finance reporter. His work has appeared in the “Financial Times”. He and colleague, Peter Speigel, from the Washington DC bureau, received the British Press Award for, as “Business and Finance Reporters of The Year,” for their coverage of the US accounting scandals (Enron).

http://www.pearson.com/investor/ar2003/unsung.htm
http://www.newsbios.com/power_behind_the_pen.htm

newsbios said:

Journalist Spotlight

ADRIAN MICHAELS
Financial Times
Correspondent

Mr. Michaels began his journalism career, in his home of London, at the Financial Times in 1993. He completed his studies at Oxford University received his degrees in politics, philosophy and economics.

In 1999, Mr. Michaels moved to the United States to continue penning for the Financial Times. His writing is centered upon financial regulation, the SEC, accountancy and corporate governance. He and colleague, Peter Speigel, from the Washington DC bureau, have recently received the British Press Award for, as "Business and Finance Reporters of The Year," for their coverage of the US accounting scandals (Enron).

Mr. Michaels states, "We won the award for our coverage of the downfall of Andersen, which was particularly pleasing because we regularly scooped all the U.S. media - we did the same at a crucial moment in the Martha Stewart tribulations this year. It was a great and first win for the FT in the U.S., particularly given our relatively new, small size and mighty competition here relative to our age and dominance in the UK and Continental Europe."

In addition to his prolific writing, Mr. Michaels makes regular appearances on CNNfn programming.
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/adrianmichaels/
Adrian Michaels is Group Foreign Editor at the Telegraph Media Group.
You can write to adrian.michaels@telegraph.co.uk and follow @adrianmichaels on Twitter.

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frozy · Mar 29, 2012

kilgram said: ↑

Yeah were part of the Caliphate hundreds of year ago, and?
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It is logical that they inherited and saved something from that era, which practically denies the claim that Europe is being all of the sudden 'Muslimized' as referred by most of islamo-jerk-phobes, and it also implies that Europe has got some heritage from that era that is not that negligible and since the major issue over here is some sort of customs that most of Muslims follow and bring by themselves to Europe, I mentioned this fact in order to point out that many of these customs were already present on European soil.

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