Palestinian statehood bid .

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by moon, Aug 31, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2010
    Messages:
    43,996
    Likes Received:
    1,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Aeroplanes and helicopters are pretty good at dealing with borders. Or hadn't you noticed?
     
  2. Nosferax

    Nosferax Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    Messages:
    5,716
    Likes Received:
    73
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That is a myth... The only period of peace for jews in the muslim world lasted 200 years.

     
  3. Dick Dastardly

    Dick Dastardly Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2011
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Four decades later, the increasingly complex world of Israel's system of classification deems Said Rhateb to be a resident of the West Bank - somewhere he has never lived - and an illegal alien for living in the home in which he was born, inside the Jerusalem boundary. Jerusalem's council forces Rhateb to pay substantial property taxes on his house but that does not give him the right to live in it, and he is periodically arrested for doing so. Rhateb's children have been thrown out of their Jerusalem school, he cannot register a car in his name - or rather he can, but only one with Palestinian number plates, which means he cannot drive it to his home because only Israeli-registered cars are allowed within Jerusalem - and he needs a pass to visit the centre of the city. The army grants him about four a year.

    There is more. If Rhateb is not legally resident in his own home, then he is defined as an "absentee" who has abandoned his property. Under Israeli law, it now belongs to the state or, more particularly, its Jewish citizens. "They sent papers that said we cannot sell the land or develop it because we do not own the land. It belongs to the state," he says. "Any time they want to confiscate it, they can, because they say we are absentees even though we are living in the house. That's what forced my older brother and three sisters to live in the US. They couldn't bear the harassment."

    The 'apartheid wall'
    There are few places in the world where governments construct a web of nationality and residency laws designed for use by one section of the population against another. Apartheid South Africa was one. So is Israel.......

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/feb/06/southafrica.israel
     
    moon and (deleted member) like this.
  4. Margot

    Margot Account closed, not banned

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2010
    Messages:
    62,072
    Likes Received:
    345
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I think many Israelis just turn a blind eye so they can deny this sort of abuse.
     
  5. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    58,376
    Likes Received:
    4,437
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah, it would likely be a few Hamas members on chairs at the UN
     
  6. The Judge

    The Judge New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2008
    Messages:
    13,345
    Likes Received:
    64
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It is certainly easier to ignore such than to face the reality of the given situation.
     
  7. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    33,819
    Likes Received:
    381
    Trophy Points:
    83
    That's democracy. Support it or cast off.
     
  8. Nosferax

    Nosferax Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    Messages:
    5,716
    Likes Received:
    73
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ok, then... Let see how long the UN lives without the USA or other that foot the bills for it to exist...

    I'm all for closing it down and make it move to, let say Zimbabwe, where those parasitic society can try to survive by canibalising each other.
     
  9. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    33,819
    Likes Received:
    381
    Trophy Points:
    83
    :mrgreen: The US of AIPAC is crap-scared of losing its influence at the United Nations. It would never withdraw from the UN. Unfortunately.
     
  10. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    25,739
    Likes Received:
    684
    Trophy Points:
    0
    My esteemed friend, you don't see the angle of attack do you?

    The objective is to delegitimize the UN. That is happening through preservation of the post-WWII status quo. As time passes, the UN will become irrelevant.
     
  11. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    33,819
    Likes Received:
    381
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Old news, and the effort has failed .
     
  12. Buzz62

    Buzz62 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2011
    Messages:
    2,206
    Likes Received:
    58
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If I may...

    Palestine "should" be declared a state by the UN and the entire world.
    That would solve allot of bickering and let everyone know where they can build...and where they can't.

    If the "Heebs" have a problem with that...tough titty.
    Turn-about IS fair play.
     
    moon and (deleted member) like this.
  13. RevAnarchist

    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 22, 2010
    Messages:
    9,848
    Likes Received:
    158
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Durable peace can not be achieved by arbitrarily decision, especially by an impotent outside organization such as the UN or world opinion. Lasting Peace can only be achieved by negotiation which Israel has fell all over herself offering to do. Blame the real warmongers or those that will lead Palestine and the entire ME into war, that is those that seek shortcuts to peace, when in reality it will be a tortured path to war. Maybe that is what the true anti-Israel powers that be* really want. Armageddon.

    *(the Arabs or a group of nations or maybe something beyond our understanding?)


    The UN can decree anything. The world opinion can swing this way or that. The UN can decree that the USA should give up all the land to the lands originally roamed by the native Americans and indigenous peoples, i.e. the entire 50 states. The UN can decree that all of Europe is not Europe’s because of this or that… enforcing these immoral and unethical claims is another matter entirely. When the rubber meets the road, the truth is; a nation or state is a philosophical construct. Much like a child would draw a circle with a crayon and claim that everything inside that circle is his patch of cement.

    However, the sad fact is that most nations are borne of war, and they remain a state by war and military power. So the UN can decree this or that, and the world opinion can be this or that (trust me the entire world is not Palestine friendly) , however in the end, the most powerful nation will retain its statehood and define its own borders. Moral of this story? The USA and Israel is by far the most powerful military force in this contest. Israel will remain defined by the 67’ borders as long as she needs for them to be that, or as long as the USA exists, and we ain’t’ going anywhere.

    Rev A
     
  14. RevAnarchist

    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 22, 2010
    Messages:
    9,848
    Likes Received:
    158
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Please do tell; exactly how do you define 'Zionism'?

    Rev A
     
  15. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    33,819
    Likes Received:
    381
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Again ? Didn't you take notes the last time ?
     
  16. RevAnarchist

    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 22, 2010
    Messages:
    9,848
    Likes Received:
    158
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Duh Huh...is your name OJLeb ? Typical BS. Next time read my post fully, it was only one sentence long.

    Rev A
     
  17. cenydd

    cenydd Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    11,329
    Likes Received:
    235
    Trophy Points:
    63
    This thread now has over 50 pages/500 posts, and has therefore been closed.

    If you want to continue to discuss the issues in this thread, please start a new one.

    thank you,
    Cenydd
    Site Moderator
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page