Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    You are interested in placing extreme leftists on the Supreme Court in order to see them impose the leftist agenda on the country.
     
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    mamooth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A few people showed up to see President Obama in Wisconsin today.

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    Oh, that's just half the crowd. Of 30,000 or so. After many were turned away. But then, I'm sure they're all just union thugs. I mean, don't they look like union thugs? Plainly, nobody likes President Obama.

    Anyways, let us know when Mitt Romney can pull in a crowd like that.
     
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    Mon petite cajun ami- are you really this ignorant?

    Your claim:
    birth control has never been banned by anyone but the catholic church, our govt has never banned birth control,
    1873— The Comstock Act passed in the United States prohibiting advertisements, information, and distribution of birth control and allowing the postal service to confiscate birth control sold through the mail.
    Federal bans were not lifted until 1938, but state bans remained in place until 1965. Conservatives wanted birth control banned- liberals didn't.



    You claim:
    allowing women to vote was a bipartisan act,

    The vote was- but opposition was staunchly Conservative. Conservatives(who are opposed to 'change') saw no reason for why women should need or benefit from the vote and indeed viewed it as 'unnatural'
    http://womenshistory.about.com/library/etext/bl_watr_ch10.htm

    "child labor laws were bipartisan"- child labor laws were seen as an unnecessary government regulation of business- this is a conservative principle- federal child labor law was passed along with minimum wage requirements.....so yes- this too was an application of 'liberal' ideals that government regulation can be used to protect our children.

    National Parks- a government franchise is a Conservative ideal? Protecting government land from private development and making it available to everyone to use- rather than have it controlled by the market is a liberal ideal.

    Medicare- a completely liberal idea- even now staunch Conservatives hate Medicare.

    Clean Air Act- again government regulation of private business- this is a liberal ideal- or do you support government regulation?

    "you are a piece of work, you think that being conservative means that we don't want women voting, want dirty air, want 12 year olds working in coal mines, and want old people to be thrown off the cliff."

    I don't think Conservatives now think women shouldn't vote- but Conservatives then did, and Conservatives then opposed child labor laws, clean air and water laws. If you are opposed to the ideals of liberalism- that government has a role in protecting its citizens from the excesses of big business- then you should oppose those laws also.
     
  4. SFJEFF

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    I would no more charaterize myself as that as saying that you want to have extreme conservatives on the Supreme Court in order to see them impose the conservative agenda on the country.
     
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    Not completely- but that is the single most important factor in my decision- certainly. It should be a concern for any thinking voter- whether they are voting for Obama or Romney.
     
  6. SFJEFF

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    Stop being so cranky Albert.

    Cajun can tell on us on his own.
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    You intend to impose an agenda on us through the courts. This is clearly your plan.
     
  8. Albert Di Salvo

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    I'm not being cranky. Dujac has a pattern. I understand it. I'll report him whenever he violates the rules.
     
  9. SFJEFF

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    Nope- actually I want to have the right wing agenda prevented from being imposed.
     
  10. Albert Di Salvo

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    What right wing agenda items are you referring to?
     
  11. ragin cajun

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    the definitions of liberal and conservative are different today than they were in the 1800s. After all, Lincoln, a republican, freed the slaves.

    you equate conservativism with the robber barrons, and most of them were democrats. and most of them today are democrats---Soros, Immelt, Gates, Buffet, Oprah. Robert KKK Byrd (D) was a staunch segregationalist as was Al Gore's father, both voted against the civil rights act.

    So I think you need to back off a little with the labels.

    This thread is about obama and why he is a losing to a businessman with a record of success.
     
  12. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

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    what is the right wing agenda in your mind?
     
  13. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    There are none.

    Al Qaeda isn't going to screw around with the US Supreme Court, and neither is Iran. Neither will China or anyone else except American leftists.

    Now tell me who is the real threat to American conservatives?
     
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    I was asking sfjeff. Clearly he is one that wants to stack the SCOTUS with left wingers so that they can find free contraceptives and abortion on demand constitutional.
     
  15. SFJEFF

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    Let me remind you- that you are the one who started off labelling what you don't like 'liberalism"

    liberalism, both financial and social, always fails. always has, always will. your state is a perfect example of failed liberalism. but the ignorance of liberals continues unabated.

    Those were your words. I pointed out issues of 'social liberalism'- like Birth control and women's vote that were successes- and showed that your claim that 'liberalism' always fails once again is a false claim by you.

    But if you want to step away from labelling everything 'liberal' go for it. Don't raise the subject if you don't want to discuss it.

    Oh that is a whole can of worms. Do you realize that Republican does not necessarily mean Conservative? Republicans of their era were moderate liberals- Lincoln was considered by the deeply Conservative South to be as radical as you consider Obama today. Yes- parties change- but what is 'liberal' and what is 'conservative' doesn't change- lets go with a definition that I think you will agree with:

    Conservative: believes that less government is better, and extreme conservatives believe there should be no government regulation of business
    Liberals: believes that government has a role in regulating business and protecting individuals from big business.

    Why don't you define conservatism for me then? Hint- not so long ago a Democrat could be conservative and a Republican could actually be liberal.
     
  16. Albert Di Salvo

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    There is no conservative agenda. There won't be any rollback on abortion or contraceptives. Leftists have nothing to fear from conservative nominees to the Supreme Court.

    But race relations between black and white are going to undergo a sharp deterioration. What the left doesn't realize is that in an era of little economic growth the competition between blacks and whites will intensify. Tribalism will be the death of leftism in America.
     
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    I hope your not planning on that tool Willard to get elected. Cause thats not going to happen. So if its not going to be Obama... who is gonna be pres?
     
  18. ragin cajun

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    I think we found a rare point of agreement.

    Now, please read this article and tell me if you can find any "lies" in it.

    http://www.ammoland.com/2012/10/03/the-obama-timeline/#axzz28StfcdIm

    I know you will condemn the source---guns, ammo etc. evil stuff that right wingers like, but please read the article all the way through. you might actually learn something about obama
     
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    ragin cajun New Member

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    you nailed it. we are very close to becoming greece-------or libya.
     
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    ragin cajun New Member

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    it obama wins, America loses. He could win, the number of ignorant people in this country is very large.
     
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    Then why do you keep bringing up wierd stuff up that has nothing to do with that?
     
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    ragin cajun New Member

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    read the article I posted in post #243, then we can talk.
     
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    Among other things pretty straight forward:
    a) Making abortion illegal on a federal level
    b) Preventing most regulation of business, except when such regulation results in increased profits for business
    c) Ending most environmental laws
    d) Ending any remaining affirmative action programs (though this is not a big issue for me- this is a big right wing agenda issue)
    e) Federal oversight of elections
     
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    wow. you really ARE a neophyte, aren't you. You run away from your own idiotic statements about Dodd-Frank causing the housing crisis that happened more than two years before it was passed... cowardly, but stupid, nonetheless, and now, in the space of just a few short sentences, you get yourself all tangled up with labels while trying to school someone else on labels.

    "Conservative" and "Liberal" have changed very little since the start of the 20th century... what has changed, are the platforms and philosophies and core constituencies of the two major political parties. To use your example...Lincoln was a liberal AND a republican. Stephen Douglas, on the other hand, was a democrat and very conservative.

    I am, first and foremost, a liberal progressive.

    I happen to align myself with the democratic party because, for my lifetime, they have been the party that has more consistently championed the liberal agenda. But whether republicans or democrats were supporting it, make no mistake that the liberal progressive philosophical agenda flat out WON the 20th century and will, undoubtedly, win the 21st as well.

    People can say that we are a "center-right" nation, and that is all well and good, as long as everyone realizes that what is "center-right" today was so far left of the mainstream 100 years ago, it wasn't even IN the stream... it was floundering on the left bank. The country has moved, inexorably, glacially, to the left for more than a century now and I see no reason to think it will stop. Women's suffrage: a progressive liberal idea. Child Labor laws: a progressive liberal idea. The rights of workers to organize and collectively bargain: a progressive liberal idea. Civil rights, Social Security, minimum wage, medicare, medicaid, ADA, environmental protection, and on and on the list goes... all issues that, when they were first discussed in American political discussions were considered far left wacko ultra liberal ideas... now, they're all right in the mainstream.

    I remember cracking up when I saw an old geezer at a ********* rally with a sign that read, "keep your socialist hands off my medicare!". Go back and read what Ron Reagan predicted would happen to America if we ever passed Medicare. It was anathema to the conservatives in America and now, conservatives embrace it as if it had been their idea all along.

    Look at the Stonewall riots in NYC in 1969. Gays and lesbians were being thrown in jail simply for being gays and lesbians. a mere four decades later, and gay marriage is LEGAL in the state of New York.

    Conservatives can only temporarily stem the tide of progressive liberalism....you have never been able to stop it or reverse it.

    Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
     
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    Clearly you can't read my mind.

    Why do you want to stack the court with right wingers? I could pretend to know what you want and say it is because you want contraception banned and prayer in schools but I really don't know what your reason for wanting the court to be 'stacked'.

    Bush tried to 'stack' it one way, Obama another. Thats why electing the President you agree with is important.
     
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