Fiscal Cliff - There will Be NO Spending Cuts or Reductions

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by dairyair, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You think our politicians are working to reducing the deficit? Nope, not really. Spending will continue like a drunken sailor.
    More proof that the d's and r's work together to not help our country. 2 sides of the same coin. All the main stream talk is pure and utter BS.

    http://floppingaces.net/2012/11/29/truth-on-fiscal-cliff-negotiations-reader-post/

    At minute 37:00 of the linked video Lehman (R) makes a statement about spending. “We’re talking about reductions in the growth of spending.” He confirms that there will be no reduction in spending. Krone (D), sitting next to him, is drooling out of camera shot. Washington does not spend less year-to-year. Ever. Is that clear? Negotiators are only negotiating amounts of spending increases and areas of such increases in spending. That’s it. Don’t believe anyone standing at a podium performing waffling prevarications in Washington while making claims of imminent spending cuts.

    ....There are no tax cuts on the horizon and there are no expenditure reductions coming. Spending is out of control, and the truth is that tax increases are coming for all levels of society......

    He’s getting ahead of Republicans on the “message,” so that no matter what happens, Boehner and the Republican controlled House of Representatives will eat the negative fall-out. And the fall-out is coming, but what is not coming is spending reductions.
     
  2. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No one seems concerned about the fiscal cliff and the political lying around it? Really?
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    56,568
    Likes Received:
    16,656
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If one reduces spending increases to less than the growth in GDP you eventually balance the budget If tax rates remain unchanged.
     
  4. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Is that what is happening? GDP growth is higher than the spending increases? I have not heard that.
     
  5. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    37,753
    Likes Received:
    14,562
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Talk of spending cuts is always politics and never real. There hasn't been a government spending cut in history. Well, there was a short lived one after WWII because they didn't have to fund the war any longer. The poliicians just want more money to spend. And, as always, they will give it to themselves.
     
  6. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yet we get many many threads about how the R's want to slice and dice the fed budget. Here is a video with both parties stating, there will never be a reduction in spending and barely a peep from anyone.
    What should one make of that?
    Folks aren't concerned, especially the loud R's, about reducing spending?
     
  7. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    2,189
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    lets go over the cliff, it would be good for the economy. slightly higher taxes on everyone who pays taxes and mandatory across the board cuts to all govt programs. Its exactly what we need to do.

    Lets do it!!!
     
  8. Flaming Moderate

    Flaming Moderate New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    2,992
    Likes Received:
    21
    Trophy Points:
    0
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget

    You know, most people who comment on the budget have never actually read it. If you go through the budget request, you'll be hard pressed to find any significant place to cut. You can always argue over some small line item or other, but there really isn't anyplace for big savings that won't have some Big consequences for someone.

    Most of the complaints I see are alarmist reactions to switching the accounting to show all the stuff we have kept off budget for the last 30 years. Yeah, you start showing the cost of a couple of wars, the completely unfunded mandate for prescriptions under medical, or the bow wave of false savings we've been hiding from ourselves since the last big exercise of 1998, and it looks pretty grim. But it doesn't change what we spend, it just admits it.

    You have set up some huge programs in the last decade. Forget about the wars or Medicare, how much do you now spend on security. Do you think those TSA agents and 600 miles of border fence were free? You scream about intelligence lapses but do you want to cut the CIA and NSA budgets? People are rolling on the floor about Embassy security but seemed OK with cutting Embassy security budgets by 90 million last year.

    So get real and do your homework. Instead of whining about numbers you know little about, find specifics that you want to give up. When you say cut waste, think less security and willing to accept a couple of bombs in you cities next year. Say reduce government programs, think about airplanes running over each other and bridges collapsing underneath trucks. Let the private sector invest in you electrical grid and be ready for $600 electric bills and still have brown outs in the heat of the summer as you exceed capacity.

    You get nothing for nothing. Pay for it or accept that services won't be available.
     
  9. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    2,189
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    actually the Ryan budget bill passed by the house did include spending cuts and program cuts. But Reid never let it reach the floor of the senate for a vote---why? could it be because he was afraid it would pass?
     
  10. gophangover

    gophangover Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    5,433
    Likes Received:
    743
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You must have dropped your crystal ball in the mud.
     
  11. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    As with most companies back in the early 2000s and revenues were falling. Cut all budgets, 10%. Sure some pain, but in reality, there is a lot of fat in there and after the initial shock, not much would change with a 10% across the board cut. If the bureaucracies can become more efficient. That may be the tough one from gov't.
     
  12. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I didn't write the article. I have no crystal ball.
     
  13. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    OT, this is not about what ryan may have proposed. This is about a D and R side by side in an interview stating together, there will be no reductions in spending or spending increases.
    This is about the fiscal cliff we're going to hear about for the next 4 weeks and how much finger pointing will be happening, when it is already determined that no spending will happen.
     
  14. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2012
    Messages:
    2,189
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    yes I know, I was responding to another poster. But back to topic. lets go over the cliff, it would be the best thing for the economy because it would force the govt to cut spending across the board, and, lets be real, the small tax increase isn't going to hurt anyone.
     
  15. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    78,717
    Likes Received:
    19,868
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    From all the postings, I'd say most here feel the same way. Or just the opposite.
    The talking heads will pass some piece of shiite legislation that won't raise taxes on everyone and still keep spending intact. Seems that is what folks here must be thinking and maybe even hoping for.
    No way for nothing to happen. That is guaranteed.
     
  16. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    56,568
    Likes Received:
    16,656
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Just pointing out that it is possible to oncrease spending and still balance the budget. This is what the REps would like to do but the Dems won't play. Hell half the cuts the yell about are reductions in the amount of the increase not an actual reduction in spending.
     
  17. Kurmugeon

    Kurmugeon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,351
    Likes Received:
    348
    Trophy Points:
    83

    That isn't at all how it will come out...


    Just what part of the Cloward-Piven Strategy don't you get?
     

Share This Page