Genius bonobo chimp creates stone tools like early hominids

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  1. Akula

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    It has nothing to do with a"reference to all humanity".
    You said "WE"..I think you pasted that from some marxist excuse handbook and failed to notice the context. All the rest of your excuses are right out of alinsky/marx playbooks.
    Socialism and Marxism must have a poor, weak "victim" and a rich evil "exploiter" in order to grow.
    "The cultural divide between the conservative white majority versus leftwing white minority means that minority must seek non-whites to build its power base. Class warfare doesn't sell, racism does.
    Our form today is to "remake" society by destroying it from the inside"

    We were talking about domesticating horses though as you continue to evade and post unrelated marxist propaganda.

    White people were able to domesticate the horse..native americans were but you're making some lame excuses as to why you "we (africans)" couldn't.


    Ergo nothing..There is much evidence that the afro centrist myth "out of africa" isn't the only possibility.

    Go tell the chinese they're actually negroes from africa...see how that works out.
     
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    A careful reading of that abstract shows merely that the haplogroups of Y-chromosomes differentiated outside of Africa, not that the original humans originated outside of Africa. Lrn2science, plz.

    I didn't say that they didn't change, merely that humans are an African species. There is some local mutation for local environment, but house cats, Norway rats, feral pigs, domestic dogs (such as dingos, New Guinea singing dogs, and pariah dogs) all exhibit similar adaptation to local conditions while still being considered non-native to the respective parts of the world that they've been introduced to.


    The amount of change that has occurred outside of Africa is essentially miniscule; changes in melanin output in response to diet and latitude change, change in the amount of time that the lactase gene remains active, and the development alternative forms of hemoglobin are all relatively minor. All members of H. sapiens can interbreed quite comfortably and the amount of genetic variation in humans is much lower than other species; chimpanzees, for instance, despite looking very similar to each other that even trained experts would have difficulty in identifying location of origin, have much more genetic diversity than humans exhibit. There haven't really been any changes so momentous as to say that we have stopped being an essentially African species.
     
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    I was referring to humans co-evolving with zebras and other African megafauna that would potentially be suitable for domestication; such evolution would have occurred from roughly ~7 million years ago to ~100,000 years ago for the out of Africa exodus. For all intents and purposes that is "we" as that contains 99% of the ancestors of all humans alive today.

    While I am a Marxist, I do not use much copy-pasta without sourcing, thanks.

    Have you actually read Marx?

    Now here's someone using copy-pasta without sourcing.

    The only native equines in Africa are all intractable, violent, and skittish. As I said, even today, zoo-bred zebras raised around humans who treat them well will still kill zookeepers with startlingly regularity.

    Native Americans domesticated feral horses from the Spanish. And there's pretty good evidence that the tarpans of Central Asia were a good deal more docile around human beings than zebras, as even feral horses such as mustangs or truly wild central Asian horses such Przewalski's horses can be tamed by humans with relative ease (ie, they don't try to kill humans with regularity).


    Not really.

    And 40% of Americans think we were created directly by YHWH; doesn't make it the truth. The evidence shows quite strongly that modern humans originated in Africa and that we are all, in our DNA, Africans.
     
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    You "carefully" read...the abstract? If you had read the paper, you would see that they hypothesize that humans are a mix of ancient lineages from each area. That there were no "original humans". That "Out of Africa" is a false theory.

    Hominids such as Neanderthal, Denisova and Heidelbergensis were running around in Eurasia for the last million years. They form part of the non-African lineage. You need to understand that "Out of Africa" is a false theory. It has been falsified. Understand that.

    You are just making up that the differences are miniscule and in fact you have no idea how deep the differences run.
     
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    Here's why zebras suck to domesticate: http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/zebra.html

    Emphasis added.

    So, yeah, not particularly surprising why they never domesticated their own species of equine in Africa: because the native horse species are especially nasty and violent.
     
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    The abstract is really enough; the haplotypes for the Y-chromosome differentiated in a region somewhere in the Near East. That does not explain anything regarding the majority of the human genome, which is obviously African in origin.

    Only H. neanderthalensis contributed anything to the modern human genome, and even then, only around 3%, which was mostly genes relating to immune system function.

    Nope, it hasn't. Sorry to burst your racist bubble.

    http://science.kqed.org/quest/2008/...hesis-about-humans-lack-of-genetic-diversity/

     
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    Oh the human genome is "obviously" African. Nice argument, very scientific.

    I think you'll find Heidelbergensis contributed a lot to the human genome, because that's what humans evolved from.

    Most of the "similarities" you speak of are in junk DNA, which forms most of the genome, and is of no importance.

    Important DNA under heavy selection is racially distributed.

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    That's not what you said. You said "we"
    Whenever anyone backs you into a corner it's THEIR fault because they "don't understand"



    I knew you were a marxist long ago and you are WELL indoctrinated.



    I skim and consider.
    I don't study him and look for ways to implement the theory. I'll stipulate that you're better trained in marxism than I.
    Have you read Mein Kampf?



    Yes..I pasted that.I wasn't being dishonest....that's why I enclosed it in quotes. As a commie, you must recognize those words and tactics.



    Quit making weak excuses and dodging and evading..
    Elephants have been domesticated for centuries...They kill their handlers occasionally.
    Horses have been domesticated for many centuries..they kill their handlers occasionally.
    Dogs have been domesticated for millenia..they kill humans occasionally...



    Say what?

    the rest is evasion.




    Yes...really.


    I have no idea what YHWH is.
    ...Not at all proven that all humans..out of africa..etc..but consider this...explain how, if we're all africans, why are asians and white people so far advanced and africans so backward despite a 100,000 year head start?
    Try to avoid the weak marxist excuse of "white colonialism" as a fallback position.
    Will you admit africans are on average mentally inferior to asians? how about whites?
    I showed you 2 different IQ charts from 2 different sources showing subsaharan africans are borderline retarded and in typical marxist fashion your reply was "nuh uh..that's racist"
     
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    What kind of IQ tests and questions are used to determine a certain group's average mental capability?Irish woman looks like an apehttp://darrylhattenhauer.com/h8/19/images/Cartoon%20Irish%20woman%20looks%20like%20an%20ape_jpg.jpg
     
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    No idea what you're trying to say or prove.
     
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    The point is that anyone can claim that any group is more intelligent than other groups, depending upon the specific tests and questions. Therefore all IQ tests are biased.The only thing that's really true about intelligence is that the more people there are the more smart people there are in the aggregate. It doesn't necessarily mean that everyone in any particular group is intelligent. There are more geniuses today than at any time in history because there are more people. There are also more stupid people today than at anytime in history because the population is so much larger.Just because you might know a lot of stuff doesn't mean that you are intelligent. It would be very easy to prove that you (or me) are dumber than a bunch of rocks. But chances are excellent that we are smarter than at least 5 billion other people. That means that over 2 billion people are smarter than we are. Most of the time that simply doesn't matter.
     
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    I posted 2 versions from different sources with the results by nationality. You guys deny, make excuses and rationalize..Ok..believe what you want.
    You are right and the entire scientific community is wrong. That's possible, I suppose.
     
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    :thumbsup: I've heard it claimed more than once that animals simply act on instinct. Apes are great at dashing that notion - in this case using stone tools!
     
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    I've only been wrong once and that was the time that I thought that I was wrong.Genesis 6:6 (NLT) = So the Lord was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.
     
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    Well, that's funny I have to admit.
     
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    Birds use bait to catch fish. Before you know it they will start making fire.Green Heron captured using bread as FISHING BAIT in astonishing show of deferred gratificationRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-deferred-gratification.html#ixzz24hahrMrB
     
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    I like how the chimp is using fire. One day they will actually make one for themselves. They already know know to make stone tools.
     
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    Is that real? Someone handed him that stick...
    I couldn't believe he was roasting a marshmallow...
     
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    What's amazing is that he knows that a roasted marshmallow tastes better than a plain one does. Imagine when he starts to cook meat.
     
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    The recent Cambridge declaration on Consciousness has put forward a consensus that higher animals are conscious in much the same way as humans.

    http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf

    I agree with that.
     
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    I find it funny when people say things like this… Bobo the amazing chimp!! There’s been many amazing chimps… There has even been smarter octopuses. It means nothing… If that chimp would have taught his idiot brother to use tools and that idiot brother showed another idiot chimp to use tools, then I would lift an eyebrow….

    Just because there was Einstein doesn’t mean that idiots from Alabama are evolving….
     
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    Einstein was a moron and Africans are the biggest idiots.

    http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-i...ert-einstein-plagiarist-and-fraud-2_7593.html
     
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    Wow, all of the Repubs are Africans! Those are some world-class idiots.
     
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    Look..mommy must be at the bowling alley or out turning tricks and the children are on the computer.


     

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