The Kremlin's Secret War: Russia's Ghost Army in Ukraine

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  1. litwin

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    is here anyone (non- bot) who still thinks that moscovite regular army does not fight in the eastern Ukraine?

    [video=youtube;C66mAkS1ZfM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=C66mAkS1ZfM[/video]
     
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    video time 2:13 LOL that looked so staged by the media, b rated flick for sure if i ever seen one. what the heck was that in his fist a screw? trying to break a window with
     
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    look at his face video time 6:00, if he was beaten a inch to his life why isn't his face scarred?
     
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    of cos Jewish producers make all those documentaries in Hollywood , right?

    have you seen this article ? it tells in details how putler´s killer machine works in details http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/67490.html

    ps fake too?
    [video=youtube;YqEl6EBSWTQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=YqEl6EBSWTQ[/video]
     
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    cos he is right, and they are wrong...here is this story http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1686397.html
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Uhhh! German Intelligence does, according to Speigel. Anyway welcome back. I missed you ...and your posts. :lol:
     
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    zhanna links, links...
     
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    Do you ever get tired of posting five threads about Ukraine every single day?
     
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    so what ? you do post five threads about Obamacare every single day, why i can not?
     
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    I do not believe anyone sentient is unaware that the Russians have troops in the Ukraine...
     
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    I have never posted a thread about Obamacare.
     
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    This thread is disturbingly anti-Russian. Russians are lovely people. disgusting.
     
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    ´why do they kill Ukrainians in Ukraine this case?
    [video=youtube;YqEl6EBSWTQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=YqEl6EBSWTQ[/video]

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    lies, fakes?
    http://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/1686397.html

    [video=youtube;eY2SYYPNeEs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=eY2SYYPNeEs[/video]
     
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    Because they have to to stop nationalism. They probably hate doing it.
     
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    show any evidence that Ukraine has more nationalism then moscovy or your country...
     
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    We let Mexicans come and live here. Ukraine hates immigrants. Russia is multicultural.
     
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    General Breedlove said he saw Russian armies entering Ukraine, but the German Intelligence didn't see them. What the good General doesn't know, is that Putin has a new top secret mysterious 'bonkers' gas. Enemies will see thousands of tanks and troops coming at them in continuous lines; never stopping, just coming and coming... Oh the poor General, I hope he gets well...


    German Intel: Breedlove is Bonkers!


    "...On that same day, General Philip Breedlove, the top NATO commander in Europe, stepped before the press in Washington. Putin, the 59-year-old said, had once again 'upped the ante' in eastern Ukraine -- with 'well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery' having been sent to the Donbass. 'What is clear,' Breedlove said, 'is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day.'

    "...Even American intelligence officers who regularly brief their German counterparts have no idea whence top military leadership is getting its information..."

    "...as the German and French-led ceasefire talks were underway in Minsk, US Lieutenant General Ben Hodges claimed that Russia "had moved 50 tanks and dozens of rockets across the border into Luhansk" and announced a "direct Russian military intervention" in the east Ukraine. Senior officials in Berlin immediately asked the BND for an assessment, but the intelligence agency's satellite images showed just a few armored vehicles..."

    "...Breedlove is even lying about what the OSCE monitoring team is observing in east Ukraine. His claim in November that the OSCE backed him up that "columns of Russian equipment -- primarily Russian tanks, Russian artillery, Russian air defense systems and Russian combat troops" were "entering into Ukraine," was in fact explicitly at odds with the OSCE assessment. The OSCE at the time had only observed military convoys within eastern Ukraine, not entering east Ukraine from Russia..."


    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arc...5/march/08/german-intel-breedlove-is-bonkers/
     
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    The Russian Federation has over one hundred twenty different languages and ethnicities. It was always multicultural. Ukraine has Russian, Ukrainian, Hungarian, Romanian, Greek, and a few other bits and pieces...so what's their problem?
     
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    These lovely people stole Georgian land a few years ago and Ukrainian land last year.... All neighbors of these lovely people who unlike you have first hand experience with them hate them and are terrified of them.... They are fun to get a drink with I must admit :)
     
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    Russia has more neo-nazis than the rest of the world combined. And they hate immigrants 100 times more passionately than the tea party ever will.
     
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    zhanna i asked you about a normal link (BBC, DW, etc.) not about your usual UFO_big foot links
     
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    +1, 10 millions vote for a nazi party 25 years already
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDPR_(political_party)
     
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    +1, many here dont know about it...but it was an imperial repetition
    [video=youtube;39hL-jj6QVg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39hL-jj6QVg&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
     
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    This article is from 2012

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepa...-anarchy-in-Ukraine-Euro-2012-hate-camps.html

    Anarchy in the Ukraine: 'Nazi' Militia Train Yobs to Fight Our Fans

    "NEO-NAZI paramilitaries are secretly training football hooligans to wreak havoc during Ukraine’s Euro 2012 match against England"

    An undercover Sun team filmed members of extreme right-wing militia The Patriot of Ukraine as it drilled thugs in unarmed combat, knife fighting and use of rifles and pistols at a secret camp.

    One yob boasted how they planned to riot and hurl racist abuse at black England stars such as Rio Ferdinand and Ashley Cole.

    He told us: “Of course we will boo your black players. There will be fighting too. Why should we apologise for it?”

    The Sun team infiltrated the Patriots’ training camp by posing as British sympathisers keen to make closer ties and learn from their methods.

    The group’s leaders said the hooligans were seen as “foot soldiers” who would proclaim their vile message of racial hatred to the world during Euro 2012.

    All three of England’s group matches are in the Ukraine — which is jointly hosting the tournament with Poland.

    The Patriots, whose 3,500 members run illegal military training camps, teach the thugs fighting skills and offer “education” in their ideology.

    In return the hooligans agree to chant white supremacist slogans from the stands and swell the Patriots’ ranks at anti-immigration rallies on the streets.

    The Patriots’ liaison chief Dmytro Semchuk said: “We have a network of football hooligans in every town that we can call on. We can start a war just by one call. In Ukraine the hooliganism is mixed with the politics of patriotism and nationalism.

    “We recruit from the terraces and we use football hooligans to spread our message.

    “We share the same beliefs. The hooligans here are not like English ones who drink all the time. Here we prepare with training. We take it seriously and we are fit.

    “The Patriots help with education and physical training. We are the brains — the hooligans are the foot soldiers.

    “We don’t want to see black players in European teams. We want to change that. The aim is to one day take the country back for the white Ukrainian people.”

    The Sun’s team was shown football hooligans in combat gear training alongside paramilitaries in Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine.

    he recruits were drilled amid the ruined buildings and weed-covered parade grounds of an abandoned Soviet military base. The training included storming buildings while armed with some grenades and guns.

    Our team also witnessed football yobs tackling a military assault course — crawling under burning barbed wire, scaling log walls and scrambling through water-filled trenches.

    Patriots “General” Serhiy Syvachuk, 26, barked orders as the yobs learned knife-fighting techniques and were given live weapons training with a pistol and sniper rifle.

    He said the group was fighting for a “white Europe led by a white leader” as our team filmed what the Patriots believed was a propaganda video.

    Syvachuk said: “We are uniting young people whose thoughts are nationalistic to get them ready to defend our country and our beliefs. We are trying to cooperate with the hooligans to create a larger movement, to protest against immigration and to train them to make Ukrainian nationalism bigger, louder and more massive.

    “The hooligans train their bodies by fighting with other teams. But we are able to give them physical training and training in beliefs.

    “We are also trying to educate them to widen their nationalism beyond football. It is a way of getting out beliefs on to the street. Euro 2012 can send our message around the world.”

    Syvachuk insisted it was right to boo black players because they should not be playing for European teams.

    He said: “They are not from European nations — they are from other nations. This is a European football festival. Ukrainian players want to meet with other European players, not players from Africa.

    “If there are black players playing for Ukraine and England it will not be Ukraine against England — it will be Ukraine against England and other countries.”

    Exam board worker Nazar Maksymiv, 20, was among those training in the forest camp.

    The balaclava-wearing thug said he followed Ukraine’s football team around the world —and gleefully recalled fighting England supporters in the past.

    Maksymiv said he would be there when England meet Ukraine in Donetsk on June 19. He is eagerly anticipating more trouble in the city, which is one of The Patriots’ heartlands.

    Maksymiv, from a hooligan group called The Berserkers, said: “I am looking forward to fighting the English fans again.

    “The police will try to stop it but I don’t think they will.

    “The football authorities are kidding themselves if they do not think there will be violence or that Ukraine fans will not boo.

    “We are not apologising for it — we don’t want to see black players in European teams.”

    Maksymiv said he was confident of getting into the England match despite not having a ticket because Ukrainian stadium security is poor.

    Also among those training was 17-year-old psychology student called Vlad, who had a grim warning for England’s travelling footie fans.

    He said: “Supporters who come here should be prepared for violence. England’s black players will be booed because we want our voice heard.”

    Racism is endemic in Ukrainian football - but ignored by police.

    Nazi regalia, such as the infamous Death’s Head symbol of Hitler’s SS, are regularly displayed during matches.

    UEFA fined Ukrainian Premier League team Karpaty Lviv in 2010 after supporters waved a neo-Nazi banner during a Europa League match against Turkish side Galatasaray.

    The Foreign Office already warns black and Asian British citizens to take “extra care” when visiting Ukraine because of racially-motivated attacks. Human rights organisations have also warned that the Patriots are no mere fantasists — they pose a real threat.

    A report by the Ukrainian Helsinki Human Rights Union said: “One should not underestimate the seriousness of this organisation. Their events are of an openly xenophobic and extremist nature.

    “Patriot of Ukraine is an organisation in the most active sense of the word, with clear hierarchy, action plan and methods of work with youth and the media.”
     
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