Waffen SS Tribute

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  1. Panzerkampfwagen

    Panzerkampfwagen New Member

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    That's not surprising. They had more reason to than the German troops.
     
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    Actually there were only 100 British members of the Waffen SS. The smallest foreign compliment. Latvia had the largest. 60% of the Waffen SS were foreigners.
     
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    An estimated 30 000 were "excused " by the US to get to south America --- Argentina and Patagonia mostly .
    I doubt they considered themselves "Dead" as they set up businesses in their new home , sponsored by the huge funds Bormann siphoned there from 1943, for that very reason .
     
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    Too bad the German Army can't be held to the same standards as all the other armies who fought in WW2. But history is basically lies created by the victor.

    Isn't that amazing that no Russian or allied member fighting for their side during WW2 was convicted of any war crime? The Soviets even have written records of the atrocities they commited, yet I don't see any of the same people who complain about what German troops did during the war ask for similar justice for allied crimes.

    Probably most of the history "experts" here are brainwashed and biased beyond help.
     
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    The SS wasn't part of the Heer.
     
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    The best soldiers won that war.
     
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    Soviet?
     
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    The damage the Jews have done to America since 1945 far, far outweighs the damage done to the Jews by the Germans between 1933 and 1945. And the eventual death toll among our own people before we have cleaned up the mess the Jews have made of America will far exceed their losses during the so-called “Holocaust.” We Americans have made some big mistakes, but really, going to war against our own kinsmen in Europe in order to save the Jews from Hitler was our biggest mistake.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKogb7pglZo
     
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    See- this is just more of his bigotted hate the jew threads.

    Don't feed the troll.
     
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    This episode of Tanks chronicles the exploits of SS-Hauptsturmführer Michael Wittmann (1914-1944)

    Michael Wittmann's later actions are known to most readers in Normandy campaign. However, Wittmann began his career as a tank ace in actually an assault gun; the StuG III. In the Ukraine Whitmann found success with the StuG III against T-34's. He was credited with several victories during this time. On July 12, 1941, Wittmann received the first of many awards; the Iron Cross Second Class. When asked, at the presentation of the medal, if he had any special requests, Wittmann requested that a T-34 crew be given treatment afforded any brave soldier. His request was granted. Whitmann was awarded the; Iron Cross First Class on September 8th, 1941. Wittmann, his crew, and their StuG III nicknamed "Buzzard" were quickly making a name for themselves fighting against superior T-34/76.

    On December 20th 1942 Wittmann completed the Officer Training course at Bad Tölz. He was commissioned a SS-Untersturmführer (2nd Lieutenant) and assigned to Heavy Panzer Replacement Battalion 500. Wittmann checked out in a long-barreled PzKw IV. Soon after Wittmann began training in the weapon that would make him famous; the PzKw VI "Tiger." As fortune would have it, he was paired with an excellent crew. One the soon to be best gunners in the Waffen-SS, Rottenführer Balthasar "Bobby" Woll first met Wittmann during this training. With Whitmann, Woll, loader Rottenführer Karl Berges, driver Rottenführer Gustav 'Gustl' Kirschmer and gunner/radio operator Rottenführer Herbert Pollmann the Waffen-SS had assembled one of the best tank crews in history.

    Whitmann returned to the Russian Front assigned to 1 SS Panzer Grenadier "Leibstandarte." Whitmann was assigned to first a PzKw III J, but soon received command of a Tiger. During Operation "Zitadelle" (Kursk) Wittmann is credited with 30 victories and 28 anti-tank guns. Wittmann was awarded the Knight's Cross.

    The famed battle that took place near Villers-Bocage. Wittmann single handedly blunt a large British offensive attempting capture Caen. In this action Whitmann destroyed 22 British armored vehicles

    August 8th 1944 would be Wittmann's last battle. Wittmann's last crew consisted of; SS-Unterscharführer Karl Wagner as gunner, SS-Sturmmann Günther Weber as loader, SS-Unterscharführer Heinrich Reimers as driver, and SS-Sturmmann Rudolf 'Rudi' Hirschel as bow machine gunner and radio operator. Much controversy has surrounded Wittmann's death. Both Polish and British unit claim destroying his Tiger.

    Wittmann's remains were located in 1982 and buried in France in 1983 at the Germany cemetery at La Cambe in Normandy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFEux4No7c
     
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    Funny...I thought the Spartans were the best of all time.

    They are "up there" in the rankings.
     
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    Elements of the Waffen SS committed atrocities, in part because SS commanders were more likely to be fanatic Nazis than regular Army commanders, and because some SS commanders (like some Army commanders) were straight-up political appointees.

    But the top Waffen SS units were also clearly elite military formations.

    The 2nd SS Panzer Division "Das Reich" is a good example of both -- notorious for some of its war crimes, but also without a doubt one of the best combat divisions in the war.
     
  15. John Sholtes

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    Read this man. Listen to this man.

    He was one of the greatest sons of the west, who upheld all that was beautiful in us.

    Don't be a vassal for the destroyers of the west by demonizing him. Our misled fathers have done that for a half-century now, and we know how much uglier the world has become for upholding the opposite of what this man (and his brothers of the Occident, our own forefathers in Europe and America) preached.

    He won't be coming back, but he didn't sit around wishing when he saw the west being conquered by an alien; he took all of THE VALUES OF THE WEST that made it beautiful, and embodied them in himself as a standard for all to rally around.

    We can't go back, nor do we want to, nor would he want to. He picked up the standard that his forefathers dropped and the 'Weimar Republic' and other aliens were stomping all over.

    You must pick up that standard and carry it for all to see, and not his standard that is burnt and battered, but your own which is made of the same elements as his and his (our) forefathers.

    You must be that standard the best you can. You cannot simply be words. You must live as a standard of the values of our forefathers, not as an anachronism, but as the man of the healed, revitalized, STRONG AND HEALTHY west who all others will be inspired by.

    Hitler talks about his loyal Waffen SS - unknown date.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kx0U8pQgSc

    Waffen SS Parade March - ♫ Viktoria Sieg Heil ♫ (high quality)

    http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch?v=aMb_delD1kA


    Waffen SS - Rammstein Sonne

    http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch?v=lchH4T6aEI0
     
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    I suppose for some, being a thoroughly discredited political military wing that was responsible for the deaths of many innocent people and being declared a criminal organization by their own country is somehow a triumph of humanity.
     
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    Nuremberg Show Trials

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    From page 2 (Section 2, a & b) and page 3 of Erhard Milch’s spoken statement, sworn and notarized on 9 April 1947.

    Generalfeldmarschall Erhard Milch

    In this connection I would also like to convey the following facts: On 17 September 1945, Major Emery, an interrogator from England, whom I already knew as he was known in England, or “Englishman”, as he was known in Germany, sought me in my quarters in the Kaufbeuren Interrogation Compound. I suppose that his real name is different. He was, as he had once old me, a New York banker. He commanded the American interrogation group to which a Capt. Tracy (also a cover name, most likely) also belonged. The American interrogation group was located in the English interrogation compound of Camp 7. Mr. Emery asked me about my ancestry, meaning that if I were of jewish ancestry, be would be able to remove me from all further prosecution. As I informed him that his supposition was not pertinent, he thought that be could not change things. The same gentleman visited me in Nuremberg on 5 November 1945, as I was just being questioned by an American interrogator. By chance I heard that it was a Major Mohagan (?). After a short conference, Emery Mohagan asked that we be left alone. Emery then said to me that if I were to make more favorable statements on behalf of Göring, Speer and the other accused in the International Military Tribunal, I must myself reckon with a war crimes trial against me. I replied that I took part in no war crimes and I could not see how I could be tried. Emery answered: “That is a small matter. If we wish, we could try every German, regardless if he committed crimes or not. Why do you want to stand up for Göring, Speer et al.? They would not do it for you, and I shall give you some good advice: It is in your own interests to testify against these people.” I replied that I could only tell the truth and that my person played no role in this matter, and that I did not fear a trial. Emery answered: “You must consider that you are still young, that you can again play a role, and that you must think of your family.”

    Naturally I refused his offer, even if it were well-intended. With that he concluded that he could no longer be of any assistance. In this instant I knew that they would attempt to start a war crimes trial against me. I have also brought this matter to the attention of several comrades in Nuremberg as well as in Dachau, and also to the Swiss representative of The International Red Cross in Geneva, at that time.

    (signed) Erhard Milch

    The above signature of Erhard Milch, given at the Nuremberg Justice Building, before Attorney Dr. Friedrich Bergold, is hereby attested and witnessed by me.
    Nuremberg, 9 April 1947
    (signed) Dr. Friedrich Bergold
    Defence Attorney for Military Tribunal II
    Nuremberg

    --------------------

    The above is an all-important document proving clearly how brutal and unjust the Allies and their mostly jewish trial specialists were in laying trumped up charges against German leaders.

    Translated from the German by E. Thomson
     
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    LOL...I was going more for "not the Germans" :D

    Steal my thunder...

    I'm not sure if this is lunacy or bigotry right here. So we should have let Hitler slaughter the Jews is what you're saying? You're disgusting.
     
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    This post is to be a tribute to the Wassen SS but since you insist on bringing up Autocities which are mostly lies here ae some that the jews media never mention.


    Other_Losses isn't the only book describing the many All-lies war crimes.

    http://www.talonbooks.com/books/other-losses


    After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation


    Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books
    Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books
    Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books

    Amazon.com: After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation (9780465003389): Giles MacDonogh: Books



    In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p161_Brech.html


    U.S. (and French) abuse of German PoWs, 1945-1948

    http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/us-germany-pow.html


    One Million German POWs Killed After WWII By US & France

    http://www.rense.com/general19/gmk.htm


    ELEVEN MILLION Germans Were Murdered AFTER WWII

    http://www.rense.com/general85/mill.htm


    Post-War Apology and Reconciliation

    A retired officer in the US army has apologized to the German army for the mass deaths of German prisoners in US army camps after World War Two. Following extensive private investigations in the US and Germany, Merrit P. Drucker has sent an e-mail to Lt. Col. Max Klaar, head of the Verband der deutscher Soldaten (German Veterans’ Association), regretting the lethal conditions in the US camps where some 750,000 Germans died while they were denied available food and shelter.

    Drucker has also formed a committee of six people, in Germany, the UK, Canada and the US to pursue further investigations and make amends by way of apologies to the families of the dead, and veterans’ institutions. Drucker’s first e-mail letter has been posted on the veterans’ website where there is also a questionnaire asking for details of prisoners’ internment.

    The book Other Losses by James Bacque, which helped to set off the investigation, is being re-issued in an American edition in October. The launch will be held in Washington in the Marriott Hotel where Drucker plans to present a formal letter of apology to Klaar who is flying over for the occasion. Klaar will present in his turn a proposal for a peace treaty between the USA and Germany. It has 14 points. Two films about postwar Germany are included in the program.

    Other Losses, a world-wide best-seller published in 13 countries, has been suppressed in the US for over 20 years. The new edition is being published by Talonbooks of Vancouver, whose editor, Karl Siegler, is the son of a former prisoner in a US army camp. When his father told him what had happened to him in the US camp, Siegler said, “I don’t believe you.” He changed his mind after reading Other Losses. Because of such sad events, Lt. Colonel Klaar has said that “Germany is a country of wounded souls.” Many Germans have already written to Major Drucker to thank him for taking a heavy weight of grief and guilt off their minds.

    TIME AND PLACE Monday, October 31, 2011, at the Courtyard US Capitol Marriott Hotel, 1325 Northeast Street, Washington, DC 20002, (202) 898-4000. The meeting will be in the Congressional and Monument Rooms. Time TBA.

    http://talonbooks.com/news/post-war-...reconciliation


    Eisenhower Death Camp - YouTube
     
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    It's a serious Topic so my continuous laughter somehow seemed irreverent .
    But what a fiasco of garbage and rubbish , completely invented and repeated by the gullible and poorly educated .
    It's so stupid I recommend others to watch the video .It will have you in stitches .
     
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    In all fairness, I would say under the conditions, the Waffen SS (not the Einestatgruppen or camp guards) fought with same level of conduct that the US Marines did in the Pacific fighting the Japanese.

    But really, who, on average, were the most brutal, barbaric and least honorable soldiers in WW2? What was basic level of conduct seen by the typical soldier and unit of any given country? The partisan activity of each nation must also be considered. What was the fate of the average POW held by any given unit or country?

    From what I have read, of the major participants, worst to best:

    Japan
    Soviet Union
    Germany
    United States
    France
    Britain
    Australia and New Zealand

    Since the Waffen SS did much of the worst fighting on the Eastern Front against the barbaric Soviets, there were plentiful numbers of atrocities commited, usually as a retailation of Soviet cruelty. SS kilings of Allied troops at Malmaday and Caen get all the press, but the SS themselves usually suffered a worse fate by the Western Allies after capture. If the German (Heer) Army as a whole was so sadistic, then why did the Brits and Germans treat each other with so much honor in North Africa?

    Comparing elite forces, the US Marines could, on average, expect little mercy from the Imperial Army of Japan. As the typical fate of a captured Marine in combat was torture and death. The Marines would often shoot Japanese soldiers as a matter of course.

    I take any record of POW deaths in WW2 with a grain of salt.
     
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    My only argument there- and this goes with rationalization- is that the Japanese considered themselves to be the only 'honorable' soldiers in WW2- because under the military indoctrination that had been part of Japan for decades, no 'honorable' soldier would allow himself to be killed. This is the rational that Japanese gave for treating POW's as they did. I in now way excuse it- the way the Japanese treated POW's was horrible- though probably seems worse more to the U.S. and Aussies than to any veterans of the Eastern Front- I would have to say that the Japanese were probably slackers when compared to the Germans or Russians if you look at POW body count.
     
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    The U.S. dropped two A-bombs snuffing out the lives of 150,000 instantaneously or months later after lethal exposure to radioactivity....
    including women and children.

    To many that was an atrocity.

    Here's the difference...
    between say this, and the Final Solution of the Third Reich or the rape of Nanking attributed to Imperialist Japan.

    America didn't instigate those wars.

    Germany invaded Poland, and Japan invaded China...among others.

    Both the Third Reich and Imperialist Japan's ideologies were rooted in the absurd notion of racial and cultural superiority...

    So to this day, even though outlawed in Germany...disaffected whites...mainly Americans, believe it or not...folks who were never victims or experienced the terror, persecution and hatred instigated by the Third Reich...this disaffected whites want to resurrect the notion of racial and cultural superiority...

    Learn from history...hatred will only lead to self-destruction.

    An Army soldier, an Indian by race, being PC here..."Native American"...in my Dad's unit in WW2...found his brother hanging from the rafters of an abandoned barn in Belgium. Captured by the SS, his brother was summarily executed...this Indian soldier..soon after volunteered to take captured German soldiers from the front to the rear echelon...

    My Dad said, the caputured Germans rarely made it to the prison camps...they were shot in the head by the Indian and bured in shallow graves or simply left as is.

    That's war...it's ugly..and brutality exists on both sides...but the underlying issue here..is what instigated the war...what instigated the ugliness, brutality and death of WWII
    which led to the deaths of over 50 million human beings in the European theater...both allies and axis...both warriors and civilians.. Untold human suffering.

    The Third Reich is responsible for this.
    They were the source of the evil and hatred which perpetuated the most murderous and bloodiest rampage in human history....World War II.

    Why folks want to nobilize this, is beyond me...but there are no shortage of crazies in this World.
     
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    What % of Germans under Soviet care, and vice versa died? About 40% of Australian POWs of the Japanese died.
     

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