9th Circuit Court of Appeals Successfully Petitioned to Re-hear Prop. 8 Ruling

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  1. stig42

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    do you understand that in places no Interracial marriage was the will of the people

    we know sexuality is not the same as race but we also no pointless discrimination can occur related to both race and sexuality
     
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    Mostly this is about marriage to your preferred consenting adult
    You are free to marry the consenting adult of your choice if your hetero sexual you continue to deny homosexuals that choice because you feel like it

    It’s unfair senseless discrimination
     
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    Actually, there's plenty about it that is sensible; you just happen to disagree.

    I, for instance, believe that there is a reason that Mother Nature evolved different sexes for the purpose of rearing and procreation, and I believe that homosexuals cannot match the upbringing of a child in a mother/father house.

    But this is something that you'll dismiss - without any real good reason. In your heart, you likely know it's true, but you won't admit it.
     
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    Nonsense. Any gay person has access to marriage exactly the same as anyone else. That they refuse to do so is on them; not the state or the rest of us.
     
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    Does marrying a goat violate anyone's rights?
     
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    Non sequitur. What you're calling 'rights'...aren't.
     
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    Statement out of ignorance of what homosexuality is.
     
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    Goats do not have legal rights as human do.

    Nonsensical argument.
     
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    Gay can marry just not to the same sex is the same kind of reasoning as black and whites can marry just not to one another theirs a strong resemblance in the comparison that’s easily made but you don’t like it because it makes you look bad and revels you position to be one of unjust discrimination against a minority by a majority that it is

    As opposed to the just harmless discrimination of a majority against a minority group that you so desperately want to think of it as

    Saying it a totally different case because your limiting the freedom someone who is still vulnerable rather than someone who is protected doesn’t make you sound any better or act any more differently then bigots of the past
     
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    Nonsense. Any black person has access to marriage exactly the same as anyone else. That they refuse to do marry another black woman is on them; not the state or the rest of us

    Same logic. gay or black is simply a variable.
     
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    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.




    Heterosexual can marry who they want homosexuals cant, Both can marry in a heterosexual relationship mostly heterosexuals want that for their marriage homosexuals don’t no it’s not fair or equal
    A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.

    The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property. The due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, ratified in 1791, asserts that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." This amendment restricts the powers of the federal government and applies only to actions by it. The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, declares,"[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" (§ 1). This clause limits the powers of the states, rather than those of the federal government.


    Gays can’t marry because a bunch of us don’t want them to sounds arbitrary to me

    im not saying you treat homosexuals as badly as racists have treated blacks in the past in this nation but you are pulling the same kind of crap on them with the marriage ban that couples in black and white relationships had to put up with if it makes you feel better your acting like people who discriminated against white and black individuals on this one
     
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    the same rules don’t protect every one they are harmful to the liberty of some the protection under the law is not equal

    The ban on gay marriage is arbitrary the states can’t currently make laws against the people with the entire justification for a law being we feel like it

    And that’s what you are down to
     
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    it’s not fair to force you to choose between a gay marriage and none at all the laws banning heterosexual marriage while allowing 2 consenting adults to be in a homosexual marriage favors homosexuals over heterosexual like yourself
     
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    The sated don’t have the right to deny your freedom on a whim even by democratic vote what is the justification for banning gay marriage
     
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    if procreation was required with marriage that would make sense its not

    well you may have to prove that homosexuals ant raise kids as well as heterosexuals we let raise kids can
     
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    That would be fair if homosexuals were exactly the same as hetero sexuals and not you know homosexual

    People confided to a wheel chair without the use of the legs has equal access to most stair cases as me are climb would not be the same
     
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    Dose the goat know what marriage is and agree to it and has the goat got the minimum mental ability you would say any adult human needs to have to agree to a marriage?

    if so i guess not and that goat deserves full human rights however we may want to rename that to people’s rights or some thing

    we don’t want to discriminate arbitrarily against all non-human intelligences now do we
     
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    There is no Constitutional protection to prevent one from being discriminated against based on genital preference, despite your continued attempts to pretend otherwise.

    There is also no Constitutional protection against being discriminated against on the basis of hair color, preferred vehicle, musical tastes, etc., ad nauseum.

    Sorry, but every case you cite is based on RACE, and the 14th Amendment offers protection from DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES , for DIFFERENT SETS OF PEOPLE.

    The rules of marriage are IDENTICAL for all.

    It is the RIGHT of the Community to regulate marriage, and we will continue to do so as we see fit.

    Enjoy all the EQUAL RIGHTS that civil unions grant you, and stop trying to force the rest of us to accept YOUR definition of marriage, which has been rejected by the voters at every turn...as is our RIGHT.

    Not being able to call your gay relationship "marriage" is of no consequence to you; you merely seek to force the majority to kowtow to the minority: ain't happenin'.
     
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    thread is over 500 posts start a new and keep having fun!!!
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There are two legally married couples and both are raising children:

    Under the federal law one couple can file a joint tax return and the other couple cannot.

    Under the federal law if one of the income earners dies one surviving spouse can collect Social Security Survivor benefits for themself and the child but the other cannot.

    Under federal law if the couples become financially insolvent one couple can file a joint bankruptcy petition in court but the other couple cannot.

    If both legally married couples move to another State the legal status of marriage of one couple is recognized under the State law but the legal status of marriage of the other couple is denied.

    There is clearly inequity (discrimination) under the law as both couples are legally married under the Laws of the State in which they were married. Both couples are entitled to equal protection under the law but obviously that is not happening.
     
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