Does Jesus rank on the list of worst torturers of all time?

So you see now that Jesus isn't threatening to throw people in a lake of fire. He is warning them, so they can avoid ending up in the lake of fire.

 

He ENDORSES/APPROVES of it 100% in that passage. Confirms it. Believes in it. Gives it his stamp of approval. Immoral.

 

If you believe Jesus is God, and God made the rules governing heaven and hell, then yes it is a threat. And I'm hoping you know that "warning" is a synonym of "threat.".

 

What is your answer to my questions?

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He shoots, he SCORES!

Yes, a mafia boss does not have to be the one to physically throw someone into the well, just the "warning" is enough to scare someone. Jesus is about fear, just like a mafia boss....scare them into thinking he's cool. Real narcissist, that one. Because in John 14:6 it's NOT about trying to live a moral life, it's about sucking up to Jesus.....Jesus' ego makes someone like even Donald Trump look like a meek little man.

 

Can you cite the text that indicates that Jesus has his minions throw people into a lake of fire?

 

is jesus god? (hint, yes)
did god create hell? (hint, yes)
did god create the rules for hell entry? (hint, yes)
did god create creatures he knew would break those rules? (hint, yes)
did god plan that all this would happen? (hint, yes)

So jesus planned then carried out the creation of creatures he knew would do specific things (all part of the plan) which would break the rules he created, sending said creatures to the special place he created to punish them - according to plan.

Once again, the compilers of your dogma leave you up sh#t creek without a paddle. They were either too stupid to work through the implications of their pitch, or knew they were good for at least a few hundred years before anyone started saying "hold on a minute ... "

 

I'm not interested in answering your questions. I am simply pointing out that Jesus doesn't say that he's going to throw people into a lake of fire, which was your initial (unfounded) claim.

 

Oh, I see, he's doing me a FAVOR by warning me! What a great guy Jesus is! What a great public service he's providing! Wait - WHO created hell in the first place and refuses to remove it?.........

 

right, he just goes ahead and does it. but like a cunning school boy bully, couches it in terms suggesting that not only was it not his fault, but that he even tried to warn (and by desired implication, help) his victims.

 

So you're saying that this is all made up and there really is no hell? So no torture is occurring after all?

 

So exactly how DO they get into the lake?

 

I'm challenging what theists believe, my own position is irrelevant. Nice try, though. A bottom shelf deflection (aka, "you don't believe it anyway so why do you care?", but you gotta start somewhere

 

The questions are designed to show how inconsistent/illogical religion is, so of course a religious person won't go down that road, because those questions scare a religious person.

 

Not specified, as far as I know.

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So, in your opinion, there really is no God or hell in the first place. Which means that, contrary to your OP, Jesus isn't really torturing anyone at all.

 

The specifics don't matter. Regardless of whether Jesus throws people into hell himself, or if he gets other people to do it for him, it makes no difference. The end result is the same: people end up in hell because of God/Jesus.

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I'm not sure if you think you're clever or not, or what is happening here. Of course atheists don't believe in this crap. It is a hypothetical. IF Jesus exists, then is he a torturer? I thought this would be blatantly obvious to anybody with more than one brain cell.

 

If I had a nickel for every time a theist tried to pull that trick on me I'd be able to buy my way into heaven through "indulgences".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence#Late_medieval_abuses

PS Jesus, you're losing.

 

why must you mention the elephant in the room when there are pretty lights to look at?

 

Well, if Jesus was kind and caring and moral, yes.

 

But you know he doesn't, and that hell doesn't exist, so you know that he's not really torturing anyone, contrary to your OP.

 

Christians don't believe that Jesus is a torturer, so I don't think you're really addressing their beliefs at all.

 

Dang, you caught me.
So which is true, A or B?
A. "Hell" is not real, so "Jesus" and the rest of the Bible is not real, as well.
OR
B. Hell is indeed real, so Jesus is real and is indirectly the #1 torturer of all time, so he's immoral.

Which is it?

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But CHRISTIANS don't know that hell doesn't exist....when Christians admit that hell doesn't exist, then I'll be a happy camper. In the mean time, they need help with the religious delusion.

 

One, it's not my OP. Two, no I don't "know" that for sure. I don't believe that he exists or that hell exists. I'm not sure how that's a rebuttal to anything in my post, though.

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Yes they do if they believe that hell exists and that Jesus sends people there.

 

Two peas in a pod:
"I WARNED those Jews to leave Judaism, seeing how I'm such a nice guy, trying to help them because I love them so much, but gosh darn it some of them just wouldn't take my helpful advice and there's nothing else I could do." - Adolf
"I WARNED those non-believers to leave non-belief, seeing how I'm such a nice guy, trying to help them because I love them so much, but gosh darn it some of them just wouldn't take my helpful advice and there's nothing else I could do." - The zombie from Nazareth

 

An atheist includes "crimes" that may or may not be committed in something that he doesn't believe in himself on his list.

Where to begin with this epic logic fail of a thread...

 

If that's the best you got then you obviously can't logically, rationally, counter the question in the OP (i.e. is Jesus the #1 torturer of all time).