America's tax system is screwy

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  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Again what is your point. I do not see your opinion on entitlements here
     
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    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    If you do not know what entitlements are look back a few posts i posted a definition
     
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    Good luck, I have been trying to find out what ptif219 means by entitlements for a while now...:)
     
  4. Kramer

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    .............double post the site went down.
     
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    May I know too what is the meaning of "entlitlements" ptif219 ?
     
  6. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    I have shown the definition
     
  7. Meta777

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    I know what the definition of entitlements is.
    But what specific entitlements are you talking about?
     
  8. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Why do I have to be talking about certain ones. I am talking entitlements in general
     
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    Because the general definition of entitlements you provided earlier is too general. It makes what you're saying vague at best, completely cryptic at worst.
    Either way, I don't know what you're talking about, so can you at least provide an example of what you're referring to? That's not too much to ask, is it?
     
  11. Kramer

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    I have been thinking about this for quite a while now, and the entitlement I come up with is Veteran Benefit Entitlements. Clearly from your posts you are against giving US military veterans any of their entitlements.

    I am for this. I support the Armed Forces of the United States.

    Why is it that you wish to see these brave souls who have risked the lives and their souls to protect the American way of life and your personal freedoms deprived of there ability to readjust to civilian life?
     
  12. ptif219

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    Entitlements the left loves them and now acts like you have no idea what entitlements are.
     
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    This shows you know nothing about that. Show where I have said that
     
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    Actually, it is a perfectly logical application of the "supply side" economic theory.

    According to supply side theory, the lower the taxes the more people will work.

    So you take the poorest, and the most hard to employ, and give them an incentive to work, by conditioning some of their welfare support on having a job earning money.

    If low taxes incentivize harder work, a negative tax should be the most incentivizing.

    At least, that is the logic behing supply side theory.
     
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    I am not the left. I am Meta777. I do not know what you are talking about.

    Kramer was kind enough to provide a possible example for you,
    but apparently that wasn't what you meant by entitlements,
    so what exactly did you mean???

    If it is too difficult for you to provide even one example of what you are referring to,
    then I must conclude that whatever it is you are referring to does not actually exist.

    -Meta
     
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    I hope the above answers your question below.


    Naturally, if I am incorrect please explain what you mean by entitlement and give an example.
     
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    What veterns get for serving is earned. Entitlements are not earned. Here is a couple examples. Unemployment extension for years like Obama is doing. Welfare , Food stamps.
     
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    I never mentioned veterans you did.
     
  19. DeathStar

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    So you think you should be paid to have the government take money from people in order to fund the building and distribution of weapons and then give said weapons to you, and have you kill innocent people abroad? You think you should be paid for that, really?

    Typical Republican. Disgusting and vile.
     
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    You don't like the way welfare and food stamps are funded?
    Well then how would you propose to fund those programs?
    Or would you not have a problem with simply allowing poor people to starve out in the streets?

    Or, is it the way the funding is allocated that you don't like?
    What would you rather have that money be spent on?
    Would you rather it be spent on employing people?

    -Meta
     
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    For me, that would depend on why the individual in question is poor.
     
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    If you are the government,
    In which cases would you let them starve?
    In which cases would you be in favor of assisting them with tax dollars?
     
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    If they refuse to seek help in the form of drug addiction rehabilitation, psychological/psychiatric help, looking for a job etc.

    If they do want to seek help in the form of drug addiction rehabilitation, psychological/psychiatric help, looking for a job etc. But I'd say such help should be temporary. Generational welfare is part of what's destroying our economy.
     
  24. Kramer

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    Obama???????????? Oh brother........ I am not affiliated with any party but you seem to be obsessed with democrats....Here is what was done by Goerge W.

    Unemployment Extensions in the George W. Bush Years

    Here's a look a the unemployment compensation extensions passed by Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush.

    • Unemployment Compensation Extension Act of 2008 (HR 6867): This bill, which extended benefits, passed the House on Oct. 3, 2008, by a vote of 368 to 28. Of the 170 voting Republicans, 142 or 84 percent supported the extension. The measure passed the Senate by a voice vote, a parliamentary often used when legislation is not controversial.
    • Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2008 (HR 2642): This bill provided federal money to states to make emergency unemployment compensation payments to workers who had exhausted all rights to regular compensation. On final passage, it sailed through the House by a vote of 416 to 12, with 186 or 95 percent of voting Republicans supporting it. It passed the Senate 92 to 6. Among Republicans, 42 of 48 supported the measure.
    • Katrina Emergency Assistance Act of 2006 (S 1777): This bill, which made unemployment assistance available to people affected by Hurricane Katrina, passed by voice vote in the House and by unanimous consent in the Senate.
    • Unemployment Compensation Amendments of 2003 (HR 2185): This bill, which extended unemployment benefits by 26 weeks, passed overwhelmingly in the House by a vote of 409 to 19. Among Republicans, 204 or 91 percent voted in favor of the measure. The bill passed by unanimous consent in the Senate.
    • Emergency Wartime Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2003 (HR 1559): This bill provided extended benefits for displaced airline and related workers in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. It passed the House by a voice vote and the Senate with unanimous consent.
    • P.L. 108-1 (S 23): This bill, which provided for a five-month extension of the Temporary Extended Unemployment Compensation Act of 2002, passed the House by a vote of 416 to 4. Among 222 voting Republicans, 218 supported the measure.
    • Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002 (HR 3090): This bill, which extended unemployment benefits for up to 13 weeks for those who had exhausted their 26 weeks of regular coverage, passed the House by a vote of 417 to 3. All 218 voting Republicans supported it. In the Senate, the vote was 85 to 9, with only one Republican opposing the bill.

    "On the question of the Obama's statement that, in the Bush years, "Republican senators voted several times to extend emergency unemployment benefits," the president is correct."



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    What do you think about the aforementioned "entitlements"?
     
  25. ptif219

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    You want us to be defenseless and let terrorist kill people all over the world?
     

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