Obama Quitly Signs Ban To Prevent Ownership Of The Famous WW2 M-1 Garand Rifle

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  1. wopper stopper

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    and it appears that political power is very dangerous in the wrong hands
     
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    This is obviously a falsified document; it can't possibly be from Rand Paul.

    Seriously, could someone please cite the actual action the administration has taken here? Given the record, I can't say I would accept 'conservative red meat propaganda' as trustworthy on its face.
     
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    Has anyone actually bothered to read the letter?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...everses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

    Obama forbade the reimportation of nearly a million M1s on the grounds that "they might fall into the wrong hands", despite the facts that 1) the M1 isn't an "assault rifle" and 2) the sales would have been regulated the same way as any other rifle.

    People may disagree with Sen. Paul on many points, but he's not a liar.
     
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    Ya know what is stupid about Obama's decision?

    If the Koreans aren't allowed to sell the weapons in the US, they will sell them to someone else.

    Now, I wonder if these guns will end up in the wrong hands...:bored:

    What a freaking dunce.
     
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    What's the big deal? It's just another stupid gun.
     
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    It seems that the suck-ass lib news media missed this story.

    Not surprising since the story does not involve sex.

    But it was noticed by people who value their gun rights and now the story has reached these pages.

    http://www.ammoland.com/2010/09/10/obama-administration-blocking-the-sale-of-m1-rifles/

    This coming from the gang of idiots who sold thousands of automatic weapons to the Mexican drug gangs.
     
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    What's the big deal you ask?......These iconic military weapons are what brave patriotic U.S. soldiers used to kill Nazis in order to liberate Europe.....where you live.
     
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    Now THAT is irony. :fart:
     
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    Like I said, it's a stupid gun. 'Brave, patriotic' conscripts who had no choice.
    Oh, and please spare us the 'we saved your ass' bullcrap. We've heard it all before...'you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for America...':mrgreen:
    If it wasn't for Russia we may well have lost. Think about that for a moment before spouting faux patriotic, chest puffing rubbish.
     
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    Why?

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    How do you feel about Operation Fast and Furious? Who should resign?


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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    No, you are wrong.


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    An assault rifle is fully automatic. The assault weapon definition is in liberal supported AWB law. The idea that a weapon with a bayonet lug is more dangerous than a weapon without one is only something an idiot liberal could think up.

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    Here's an interesting idea...since these rifles were used to kill other people...maybe they should be rounded up and melted down to make something PRODUCTIVE? You know...like something made to FURTHER humanity instead of kill it.

    BTW...just so we're all on the same page here...Americans LOVE to claim that they single-handedly won WWII. I assume that's what their wonderful school system...you know...the one the Republicans wanna rape...teaches the poor sods this drivel. But what they DO NOT teach in those fine American schools is this:

    There are all sorts of other issues...like the sale of arms and finance to both sides by American bankers...but apparently these facts also don't taste good and thus are not taught in American schools.

    Those guns were made for killing people...and should be treated as such...enemies of humanity.
     
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    "World War II

    After the fall of France and the Dunkirk evacuation in 1940, Britain found itself short of arms for island defense. The Home Guard was forced to drill with canes, umbrellas, spears, pikes, and clubs. When citizens could find a gun, it was generally a sporting shotgun Ð ill suited for military use because of its short range and bulky ammunition.



    British government advertisements in American newspapers and in magazines such as The American Rifleman begged Americans to "Send A Gun to Defend a British HomeÐBritish civilians, faced with threat of invasion. desperately need arms for the defense of their homes." The ads pleaded for "Pistols, Rifles, Revolvers, Shotguns and Binoculars from American civilians who wish to answer the call and aid in defense of British homes."

    Pro-Allied organizations in the United States collected weapons; the National Rifle Association shipped 7,000 guns to Britain.
    Britain also purchased surplus World War I Enfield rifles from America's Department of War.


    http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/lostrts.html


    Stupid guns? More like stupid Brits allowing themselves to be disarmed. That's one reason the Brits live in a nanny state besides the lust for welfare handouts.

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    The M-1 was far superior to German, British and Russian standard issue rifle for their soldiers. All were slow bolt action, not the Garand. The Garand had 8 rounds to their 1 round.

    Watch to learn about the mighty M-1:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_PFd9YpRzk"]M1 Rifle Training pt1 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    U.S. Rejects Re-Sale of M1 Rifles Issued During Korean War | ROK ...

    rokdrop.com/.../u-s-rejects-re-sale-of-m1-rifles-issued-during-korean...


    Sep 4, 2010 – The Obama Administration blocked South Korea from selling old M1 rifles used during the Korean War back to the U.S.. ... Don't you know the top-loading M1 Garand is the weapon of choice for drug dealers, gang members and terrorists .... If that ever changes, I'll be the first guy in a Pusan Texas Town bar ...


    This also includes the M1 Carbine, which in no way can be considered a high powered assault rifle. It was issued to take the place of the side arm.




    Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale Of 850000 ...





    www.foxnews.com/.../obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-...


    Sep 1, 2010 – The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. ... But gun rights advocates point out that possessing M1 rifles is legal in ... In contrast, 200000 M1 rifles from South Korea were allowed to be ...
     
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    US troops certainly saved the UK and France in WWI. They also made a huge contribution in WWII by invading Normandy, invading North Africa, invading Italy, bombing German cities, and sending massive amounts of arms, trucks, and planes to the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union did not have that kind of support, they may have lost. Stalin begged the Americans for attacks on Hitler's army to take pressure off of the Red Army. So, the idea that the Soviet Union could have defeated Germany alone seems to be in doubt.

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    This is nothing new for Comrade Obama, who is easily the most un-American, anti-Constitution president in this nation's history. But, like all good hyperlibs, you can't countenance any criticism of your messiah without proof piled upon proof piled upon proof....

    Google is an amazing tool... you might want to learn to use it, especially since you on the Left obviously condemn Ron Paul as a crackpot liar:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...everses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

    http://volokh.com/2010/08/18/obama-bans-over-100000-rifles/

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/obama-bans-more-than-100-000-american-made-rifles

    http://nagr.org/M1garand.aspx?pid=th7

    And, if you don't like those, there are many, many more. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make the dumb bastard drink any of it if he refuses to do so...." :spin:
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb9ZET3tV9Q"]Top Ten Combat Rifles- Sturmgewehr 44 - YouTube[/ame]

    Nazi Germany fielded the first assault rifle. We are lucky that they came into the war at a late point.

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    What is Obama afraid of?


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    Those guns were never distributed in Britain and there was no German invasion. The RAF saw to that by blowing the Luftwaffe out of the sky over Britain despite being outnumbered, and well before America entered the war.
     
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    The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in America.

    The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

    A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

    "The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman told FoxNews.com.

    "We are working closely with our Korean allies and the U.S. Army in exploring alternative options to dispose of these firearms."

    Gun control advocates praised the Obama administration for taking security seriously.

    "Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."

    But gun rights advocates point out that possessing M1 rifles is legal in the United States -- M1s are semi-automatics, not machine guns, meaning the trigger has to be pulled every time a shot is fired -- and anyone who would buy a gun from South Korea would have to go through the standard background check.

    "Any guns that retail in the United States, of course, including these, can only be sold to someone who passes the National Instant Check System," said David Kopel, research director at the conservative Independence Institute. "There is no greater risk from these particular guns than there is from any other guns sold in the United States."

    M1 carbines can hold high-capacity ammunition clips that allow dozens of rounds to be fired before re-loading, but Chris Cox, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, noted that is true about any gun in which an ammunition magazine can be inserted -- including most semi-automatics.

    "Anything that accepts an external magazine could accept a larger capacity magazine," Cox said.

    "But the average number of rounds fired in the commission of a crime is somewhere between 1 and 2 … this issue just shows how little the administration understands about guns."

    He called the administration's decision "a de facto gun ban, courtesy of Hillary Clinton's State Department."

    Asked why the M1s pose a threat, the State Department spokesman referred questions to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. ATF representatives said they would look into the question Monday afternoon, but on Wednesday they referred questions to the Justice Department. DOJ spokesman Dean Boyd referred questions back to the State Department.

    According to the ATF Guidebook on Firearms Importation, it would normally be legal to import the M1s because they are more than 50 years old, meaning they qualify as "curios or relics." But because the guns were given to South Korea by the U.S. government, they fall under a special category that requires permission from the State Department before any sale.

    Kopel said that he hopes the State Department spokesman's statement that it is working to "dispose" of the guns does not mean they want to melt them down.

    "It seems to have this implication of destruction, which would be tremendously wasteful," he said. "These are guns that should be in the hands of American citizens for marksmanship and safety training."

    Asked whether melting the guns down would be a good option, Henigan said: "Why let them into the country in the first place? If there is a legally sufficient way to keep them out, we think it's perfectly reasonable to do so."

    Past administrations have also grappled with the issue of large-scale gun imports.

    The Clinton administration blocked sales of M1s and other antiquated military weapons from the Philippines, Turkey and Pakistan. It also ended the practice of reselling used guns owned by federal agencies, ordering that they be melted down instead.

    In contrast, 200,000 M1 rifles from South Korea were allowed to be sold in the U.S. under the Reagan administration in 1987.

    A decision like that would be better for everyone, Cox said.

    "M1s are used for target practice. For history buffs, they're highly collectible. We're going to continue to make sure that this backdoor effort that infringes not only on lawful commerce but on the Second Amendment is rectified."

    Henigan disagrees.

    "They clearly were used as military guns, and the fact that they likely can take high-capacity magazines makes them a special safety concern," he said.

    The White House referred questions on the issue to the Pentagon, which referred questions to the U.S. Embassy in South Korea, which deferred back to the State Department.



    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/#ixzz1eRT7FdXk
     
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    Wrong.



    "This rifle was one of a number of weapons provided for Home Guard use in 1940 by an American organization called the American Committee for the Defence of British Homes. They mounted a public appeal for firearms and binoculars which could be sent to aid the defence of Britain. The weapons sent included a large number of sporting guns - both shotguns and, as in this case, rifles. This single-shot .32 calibre sporting rifle dates from the 19th century. The makers, the Whitney Arms Co, were bought-out by Winchester in 1888. Officially, the weapons sent by the Committee were supposed to be returned after the war. This did not happen in all cases however and, after the Home Guard was stood-down in 1944, the Imperial War Museum was given a small collection of weapons from this source. In this case the weapon must have borne some sort of label linking it with its donor (a gentleman from Salem, Virginia), as the Imperial War Museum took the trouble to contact him in 1945 and secure the rifle as a gift.
    History note


    One of a group of firearms lent by American citizens to the Home Guard via the American Committee on the Defence of British Homes, 1940-1943. The majority of borrowed arms appear to have been collected at COD Weedon and then returned via the British Consulate General in New York in October 1947. The early Whitneys used a modification of the rolling block action, but this later version is virtually the same as the Remington, and was the subject of patent litigation. The Whitney was considered a safer action than the Remington, in that it had safety and half-**** positions on the hammer, and could be reloaded at half-****. This is the basic octagonal barrel sporting model, although the calibre is unusual. The rifle was available in a variety of sporting and target versions. The Whitney Arms Co. made a variety of rifles (including the Kennedy and Burgess lever action repeaters and another single shot moving block rifle, the Phoenix), revolvers and shotguns, and was eventually bought out by Winchester in 1888.
    Physical description

    Remington rolling block-style single shot sporting rifle. Straight hand stock, schnable foreend with horn tip, octagonal barrel with German silver front sight and slide adjustable sporting rear sight.
    1) stamped on top tang 2) stamped underside of barrel

    1) WHITNEY ARMS CO. NEW HAVEN. CT. U.S.A. 2) .32 CAL C.F."


    http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30035002




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    These guns were used to kill bad people - Nazi's and communists.
     

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