Question About Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'Immigration' started by Brock, Dec 25, 2011.

  1. Archer0915

    Archer0915 New Member

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    You really know nothing about economics do you? There will always be unemployment.

    Now may are unemployed because they can get a check instead of taking a job they do not want.
     
  2. danielpalos

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    Why do you believe what you do? Some economies solve for a natural rate of unemployment by requiring a work ethic; they have been termed, Communist.

    Our Founding Fathers already gave us our form of federal government and a supreme law of the land that recognizes natural rights.
     
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    Nope just take away all benefits when there is an unemployment rate in a certain region. People are more willing to do when they have a choice of work or starve..
     
  4. danielpalos

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    Why be immoral and bear false witness to our own laws, simply to resort to more arbitrary and coercive use of force of a State, while not actively claiming a subscription to truer forms of communism?
     
  5. Archer0915

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    Welfare payments and unemployment benefits are not a constitutional guarantee. General welfare does not mean welfare checks. And if that were the case it would have started out that way.
     
  6. danielpalos

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    Providing for the general welfare of the United States is a Constitutional guarantee. Bearing true witness to our own laws is also supposed to be a guarantee.

    We have already been paying for a war on poverty for over thirty years.

    Why not actually solve the problem via Commerce that can generate tax revenue to defray the cost of government?
     
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    The constitution was written more then 200 years ago. Welfare started in the last 100.

    General welfare means keep them safe. total welfare is what many have in the US.
     
  8. danielpalos

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    Providing for the general welfare could mean actually solving official poverty in modern times with modern economics, instead of merely paying for a War on Poverty for over thirty years, and which will never actually solve official poverty in our republic.
     
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    I can agree with that.
     
  10. onalandline

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    You would have to be specific about this "market-friendly" phantom visa.

    There are already work visas available. They are limited for a reason.

    If you had your way, we would all be making minimum wage.
     
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    Yep, welfare is more lucrative than working many minimum wage jobs. The system breeds laziness.
     
  12. danielpalos

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    A market friendly work visa would be analogous to the business model of a market friendly amusement park that issues "entry visas" to that minimicro "republic", for a market friendly fee. You may have noticed their lack of issues with illegal forms of immigration to the extent we have in our political-economy.
     
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    We could be lowering our tax burden by simplifying our social safety nets.
     
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    Many of those nets need cut.

    Take insurance for example. Do away with tax credits and provide every American insurance. It would save billions.
     
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    I believe that we would be over-run with immigrants, and our illegal immigration problem would still exist, for those not willing, or unable to pay for a visa. There is also a problem with citizenship, entitlements, and other benefits etc.

    I, for one do not wish to see my standard of living slide even further.
     
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    That sounds like reform that the libs are against. They like their "social safety nets".
     
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    Why not end our wasteful War on Drugs instead?
     
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    Why so little faith in our form of Government and capital market based economy?

    From my perspective, we could let foreign labor help subsidize US labor to become more efficient in our global economy.
     
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    What excuse could any civil person in our republic have, if they could not claim to be in official poverty?
     
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    1. Being born here from parents who lived here for 17+ years before I was born, and didn't move here to deliberately take advantage of the anchor baby racket to rip American taxpayers for a lifetime of welfare benefits.

    2. By paying taxes here for 50 years.

    3. By serving in the US military and National Guard, and receiving 2 honorable discharges.

    4. By participating in local, state, and national government, by voting and contacting my elected officials, for 45 years.

    :nana:
     
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    Why don't you just come out of the closet and tell us all that you're a criminal, illegal employer, and you just want to be freed from having to live under the threat of being jailed for violating IRCA ? :roll:
     
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    Because, if I were an employer; I would state that at-will employment can be considered a natural right secured by State at-will employment laws and a federal doctrine regarding employment at will; and also a natural right secured by our Ninth Amendment and its State equivalents.

    Enforcing federal immigration law can be considered a form of double taxation as well since we are already paying taxes to the federal government to do that job.

    So, from my perspective, why are you being immoral by advocating bearing false witness to our own laws?
     
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    Unskilled, foreign labor, while unemployment is high, is a recipe for a declining standard of living. All you are doing is bringing the outsourcing within our borders.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am all for reducing the amount of citizens sucking off the government nipple.
     
  25. onalandline

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    That's my thought about him all along. He is one of them.
     

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