Time for Paul & Gingrich to STEP ASIDE.....

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by Libhater, Feb 16, 2012.

  1. The12thMan

    The12thMan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    At this point in time, without knowing who the VP choice will be, I believe I will write in Ron Paul. Don't fret. Texas will still be red.

    When the republicans lose, I want them to know why. I want them to know that they can't disenfranchise their base and expect that vote. I want them to know that there's a sizable number of people who care more about the Constitution than defeating a democrat. I want them to know that I know an "R" isn't necessarily a conservative. McCain didn't lose because he was too conservative. He lost because he was too liberal. Going more liberal just means you lose bigger.
     
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    Where did he say that? Why do you insist on arguing against straw men you have invented? Stop trolling and actually address the point he is making.
     
  3. AbsoluteVoluntarist

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    No, I'm not going to vote for Obama. Like I said, I would never vote for someone who's going to go around dropping bombs on villages filled with children. Who says I have to vote for Thing 1 OR Thing 2?
     
  4. Big George

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    Did Ron Paul vote for invading Iraq?
     
  5. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

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    You call yourself an "ex Ron Paul supporter" and you dont know the answer?
     
  6. Big George

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    I actually DO know the answer, but I'll guarantee you that 99% of the Ron Paul zealots do NOT.
     
  7. NavyIC1

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    With any luck Dr. Paul will run as an Independant or Libertarian Party canidate.
     
  8. Big George

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    ...which will guarantee that Obama will be re-elected. Nothing more, and nothing less.


    If that's what you want, so be it. But just know what is going to happen.
     
  9. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    So back to the opening statement: We all see and acknowledge that both paul and newt have zero chance of becoming the Republican nominee, with further knowledge that neither one of them would have a shot at beating the messiah obama, so can we all get on the same page by pushing for those two to kindly drop out of the race so that both Mitt and Rick can fight it out mano y mano? :judge:
     
  10. PoliticalRuckus

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    Welcome to America and her 2 party system. Running as "3rd party" isn't easy, look at Ralph Nader.
     
  11. NavyIC1

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    and yet you think either Santorum or Romney have a chance at beating the President?

    Santorum will never get the moderate Republican or Independant vote. He only appeals to the ultra conservative.

    Romney does not appeal to 70% of the Republican vote. If you look at policy he has actually enacted, does he look any different than President Obama?
     
  12. NavyIC1

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    ...yep, I am actually an Obama supporter. I would vote for Dr. Paul if the Republicans nominated him...but we know that will never happen.
     
  13. NavyIC1

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    To all of the Conservatives out there...

    What do you think will happen if a Republican gets elected President?

    In order to actually pass anything ,the GOP will have to take control of both houses of Congress. There is almost no chance of that happeneing.

    So, a Republican President is elected and he does what? Sits there while the Democrats do what the GOP has done for the past two years? Filibuster bills, block every action the President takes, vow to make him a "One-term" President?

    Will you still blame the President for lack of action from the government? Or will you try to blame Congress for playing partisan politics, when we have seen the very same behavior from your party?
     
  14. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about? The Republicans are going to sweep all three branches of government. So once the Republicans sweep all 3 branches of govt and sweep out socialism--the economy will boom with Romney's 57 page detailed policy on energy and creating jobs.
     
  15. NavyIC1

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    I wish these things came with sarcasm detectors. I know if I had written that it would be laced with sarcasm, but here are too many people who actually believe that.
     
  16. PoliticalRuckus

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    Screw sarcasm detectors, we need a bull(*)(*)(*)(*)-o-meter
     
  17. NavyIC1

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    nah, most of the posts are based on that.
     
  18. PoliticalRuckus

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    This is a bit OT, but I noticed you lived in Raleigh. My girl and I just got back from a vacation there and we miss Sono (Sushi place on Lafayette) and The Oxford pub.
     
  19. NavyIC1

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    lol..you must have family there? I don't know many people who would go to Raleigh for any other reason. Yep, I also go to NC State currently. One more semester and I can go back into the work force. I like it here, but miss real winters.
     
  20. PoliticalRuckus

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    Went there for a Liberal hippie tree hugging convention that my girlfriends school paid for. She's a professor for child & family development, so free vacation why not? She has family nearby and we went to that BBQ joint in the warehouse district, can't remember the name. It's a nice little quaint city, I enjoyed it.
     
  21. NavyIC1

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    Best BBQ is about an hour away in Wilson, NC. It is a place called "BILL'S".
     
  22. Dr. Righteous

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    Your random personal attack, which has contributed absolutely nothing positive to your argument, but has in fact weakened it through an ad hominem logical fallacy, has been noted.

    Sure they could. If they could demonstrate that they were willing to put up candidates who supported freedom, then the GOP would certainly gain my support.

    Please provide proof that it is mathematically impossible for Ron Paul to win the general election in November. If you can't do that, then I will take that as an admission of your defeat.

    Who's the one that's throwing around insults rather than engaging in real debate? Your "debate" skills are that of a third grader.

    Total fabrication. You're engaging in more logical flaws. You're acting as if intelligence and maturity has something to do with one's age. I know plenty of adults, like you, who act like children. I know plenty of teenagers who can school plenty of adults in a political debate. Age has very little to do with potential knowledge one possesses.

    I know plenty of older people who support Ron Paul. Unless you care to back up your wild claim with proof from a credible source that defines being "young" as definitively below a certain cutoff point (the number of seconds one has been alive), and also another credible source that proves that zero people in this country who are older than that number of seconds support Ron Paul. If you're incapable of doing both of those things, I will take that as an admission of your defeat.

    More baseless claims. Please provide a credible source to back up this point. If you're incapable of doing that, I will take that as an admission of your defeat.

    More baseless claims. You're also using low pay as if one's wages is somehow correlate to their intelligence. That is a typical neo-con elitist attitude. Please provide a credible source to back up this point. If you're incapable of doing that, I will take that as an admission of your defeat.

    Collectivist nonsense.
    I know plenty of individuals who are young that vote. I know I do.
    I know plenty of individuals who are low paid that vote.
    I WOULD tell you that I know "least educated" individuals who vote, but I'm not quite sure how it's possible to accurately quantify one's level of education. So this point is just so ignorant that I can't even bring myself to respond to its stupidity.

    Paul's supporters are the real conservatives. Those who call themselves conservatives but reject Paul's ideas are what are called "neo-conservatives", or "pseudo-conservatives".

    The Godfather of the Tea Party doesn't have support among a libertarian organization that was hijacked by the Republican establishment and converted into a pseudo-conservative, pro-status quo organization? Color me shocked.

    More baseless claims. Please provide a credible source to back up this point. If you're incapable of doing that, I will take that as an admission of your defeat.

    So you're calling me naive and ineffective. I'd be glad to debate you on any topic of your choice. I'm confident that I will embarass you.

    Sure. It's common knowledge that Ron Paul is a registered Republican.

    This statement is 100% misleading. Of course he would vote for the GOP if they put up a candidate that supports freedom. It's not that he's not going to vote for the GOP just for the sake of not voting for the GOP; he's not voting for the GOP because all of their other candidates are garbage.

    Who cares? Why are you so affixed on the good of the party?

    So if Ron Paul loses in the primaries...when the polls show Obama crushing your beloved GOP candidate, according to your logic, the Republicans will be stomping their feat and screaming until they get their way if they don't vote for Obama. Interesting viewpoint.

    Or they just grunt and hurl their feces at Paul supporters, like you're doing.
     
  23. AbsoluteVoluntarist

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    Ron Paul voted against invading Iraq. Ron Paul voted for pursuing the individuals who committed the September 11th attack within Afghanistan.
     
  24. Big George

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    So then, he DID vote for invading Afghanistan?
     
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    Yes he voted to go after Bin Laden....not to divert into Iraq. He has made his stance quite clear on that. What are you trying to get at?
     

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