Wikileaks: Latest US Death Squad Operations Manual

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  1. Horhey

    Horhey Well-Known Member

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    Even the worst monsters convince themselves that they are doing wonderful things while they butchered millions of people. Like how in internal documents, the Japanese fascists said they were liberating the population in China, feeding the hungry, treating the sick, and trying to create an overall better life for them while they murdered tens of thousands of people. The Soviet Union said the same thing about Afghanistan and Eastern Europe. But that's how they rationalized it. Very few evil people think of themselves as evil.

    There. I addressed your comments on that part of the manual now please attempt to justify the section I just pointed out that contradicts what you highlighted.
     
  2. Horhey

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    Nevermind that tiny part I pointed out. Try to justify the entire section.

     
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    Well, if you have Al Qaeda or Taliban insurgents, running around your country, blowing up civilians, drastic measures are called for. The continued death of your civilians isnt an acceptable option.
     
  4. Mushroom

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    It does not good, Horhey lives in fantasyland.

    I guess he thinks martial law is a bad and evil thing, that is Unconstitutional and should never be done.
     
  5. Alif Qadr

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    I agree Mr. Horhey on all of the points that you have posted. In all actuality, the United States Federal/Central government is a hostile actor and when nations develop an "anti-American" posture, most in this country willfully overlook the actions of this nation's political actors. I personally believe that those who overlook said actions agree with them bein g that they ahve a sociopathic, borderline psychopathic outlook in regards to them being "the shining light and beacon of freedom.
     
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    I wish Mullah Omar would get hold of Obama and cut his head off. Allahu akbar.
     
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    Mushroom/Mujrimun, had the US government had not authorized and followed through with the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, such things would be of little concern.
     
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    Is Allah a male or a female?
     
  9. Horhey

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    This manual isnt refering to Afghanistan. It's from 1994. The only insurgencies the US was concerned about at the time were in the Western Hemisphere and all of them were trying to overthrow US-backed military dictatorships. The manual is most likely refering to Guatemala. That was another country in which the US was waging a vicious covert war, essentially against the population. It wasnt covert to Guatemalans, it was covert to Americans.
     
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    Yeah see, it's a much different situation when these measures are used against popular uprisings trying to topple their tyrannical governments. The manual does acknowledge that these governments are corrupt and repressive. It even suggests provoking the insurgents to attack civillians to make the government look like the good guys for a change.

    Mushroom even posted this part earlier:

    So one of the strategies was to try and provoke the rebels into "attacking and killing the very class of people they are supposed to be liberating."

    This strategy wouldnt have worked anyways. It's like how they tried to push Nicaragua into the hands of the Soviets to create pretext for putting US troops on the ground because they didnt think the Contras were gonna get the job done.
     
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    Only insurgencies in 94 we were concerned about would be Bosnia and FARC in Columbia. I was simply using Afghanistan and Iraq as current examples. And the manual wasnt specific to particuliar conflicts. .
     
  12. Horhey

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    The Guatemalan civil war ended in 1996 and the Salvadoran deaths squads continued to operate many years after the 1992 UN sponsored peace accords. No left of center political party could be voted for or supported in any way without the threat of being murdered, tortured, or "disapeared" by death squads. Then there's the potential uprisings in Honduras and Nicaragua that they were also concerned about.
     
  13. Horhey

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    Omg. I forgot about Indonesia in East Timor. The Clinton administration was backing General Suharto's genocide campaign in East Timor.
     
  14. Horhey

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZohcbKYg5s&feature=related"]Masacres in East Timor[/ame]

    From 1975-1999, "US political and military support were fundamental to the Indonesian invasion and occupation of East Timor."

    From The National Security Archive's declassified US documents:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzYcQUQgcpw"]Clinton Questioned on his Death Squad Killings in East Timor[/ame]

    In 1996, the Clinton administration planned to sell F-16 Jet Fighters to General Suharto in order to "help bolster stability in East Asia".

    The Los Angeles Times reports:

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    U.S. Military aid to Indonesia during the Clinton years is about $150 million.

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    In 1997 the Pentagon was still training Kopassus units, in violation of the intent of congressional legislation. In the face of this record, the US government lauded "the value of the years of training given to Indonesia’s future military leaders in the US and the millions of dollars in military aid for Indonesia".

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    The UN Security Council ordered Indonesia to withdraw, but that was an empty gesture. As UN Ambassador Daniel Patrick Moynihan explained in his memoirs:

    Suharto remained "our kind of guy", as the Clinton administration described him, untill he commited his first real crime, in 1998: dragging his feat on IMF orders and losing control over the population, though some like Suharto's longtime advocate Paul Wolfowitz, continued to support him. Suharto's fall from grace follows a familiar course: Mobutu, Saddam Hussein, Duvalier, Marcos, Somoza, etc. The usual reasons are disobedience or loss of control.
     
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    Motive:

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    The reasons Washington strongly supported General Suharto's genocide campaign in East Timor were explained by Clinton administration officials to the New York Times:

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    So how do you defend the Clinton administration's support for General Suharto's genocide campaign in East Timor? Where is the benign intent in that? I just showed you the motive. It's in the New York Times article at the bottom. Clinton officials described one of the worst mass murderers of the late 20th century as "our kind of guy" because he followed orders. He opened up his rich country to foriegn, primarily American investors and exploitation.
     
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    Yeah, everybody knows about Bosnia but almost noone knows about East Timor.
     
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    And once again, a sharp left turn into something that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.
     
  19. Horhey

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    The manual doesnt specify which government it was meant for and it was written during the US backed Indonesian genocide campaign in East Timor. We were discussing what insurgencies the US was concerned with at the time and East Timor is one of them. Noone can say it has nothing to do with it cause the manual does not name a particular country. Nice try at deflecting attention away from it.
     
  20. Horhey

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    There are some similarities between the East Timor genocide and the manual. For example:

    Again from the manual:

    It takes a real good education not to notice these things.
     
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    Mr. Di Salvo,
    What does that question have to do with the comment that I submitted?
     
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    After reading the discussion thread, which I came in on the tail end of it, I have to say that Mr. Horhey is a very well informed individual who is a valuable asset to the forum in general. If only others were as well-informed as he is, there would be less fighting and more information sharing.

    GOOD JOB MR. HORHEY!!!!!

    Also, after going back and reading the actual first post of this discussion thread, something occurred to me in the form of a question. Could it be that the entire Contra Affair which occurred in Nicaragua, El Slavador and to some extent Columbia, have to do with establishing manufacturing camps, quarters and warehouses for clothing companies within the U.S. as well as, outside of the US? Would anyone who is logical and has intel respond, namely Mr. Horhey?
     
  23. Horhey

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    Maintaining those countries as sweat shop nations is part of the goal but the United States isnt going to collapse if they go independant.

    The threat is that if the US doesnt quickly punish them for going independant and prevent them from raising their living standards with the little resources they have, there would be a "domino effect," meaning that other countries with vast resources will become emboldened by their "good example" and follow the same course. Other places will ask, "why not us?" That's the danger. The whole system of domination would begin to unravel.

    It's kinda like the mafia. The Mafia-Don cannot accept successful defiance, even from a small storekeeper so they have to make an example out of them to teach others that it will not be tolerated.

    This article from the Council on Foreign Relations explains the real threat of countries in Central America freeing themselves from this modern form of slavery:

    The Agenda of the Doves

    So the primary concern is that the "domino effect" would make it's way to US-client states like Saudi Arabia. I didnt underline any of it because the entire thing is powerful enough.
     
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    Before praising Horhey I suggest you do a little research and look at his clearly biased and often uninformed sources.
     
  25. Horhey

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    By all means. Point them out.
     

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