I read two totally different accounts on the destiny of the Limousine windshield. One account states it is in the National Archives, another account, by a Ford worker states it was destroyed and placed in a dumpster. Do we have any definitive accounts on just exactly why the windshield was replaced and where the defective windshield ended up? Are there any detailed photographs of the damaged windshield? Some accounts have a bullet hole in the windshield, and that would discount the three bullets agenda.
Photographs of the windshield are in fact in the national archives. Some copies are in various books on the assassination. Yes there is a hole in it but it does not refute the Three established bullets which is what evidence supports. If any thing it supports the same bullet count. The hole was close to the drivers side of the windshield and in the photographs one can see blood near the hole. This would clearly indicate it came from the back of the limo after hitting Kennedy. It was likely caused by a piece of the bullet which struck him in the head. There was also a serious dent from a fragment in the trim above the windshield and small fragments found on the dashboard. Like I said the photos are in the Archives and have occasionally been published.
According to the WC report, there was no penetration of the windshield http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/limo/CE351.jpg. The FBI found a fragment on the seat beside the driver. (nose portion of a bullet ) The other fragment found along side of the front seat. ( base portion of a bullet ) 3 small lead particles on the rug underneath Mrs. Connally's jump seat. No mention of fragments on the dashboard or blood on the windshield. The chrome on the windshield was damaged ( look at the picture and see if you agree, that this was made by a fragment http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...7;3a//www.jfklancer.com/photos/limo/CE351.jpg They didn't mention the damage to the back side of the mirror. Two fragments, one the base, the other the nose portion, one or both caused the damage to the windshield, the chrome and the mirror. While the middle portion stayed in JFK's head and fragmented into over 40 pieces in the right side of his brain as shown in the X-ray and testified by the FBI and Secret service agents at the autopsy. Even though his head exploded, spraying blood and brain matter in all directions and the oozing out of brain matter at Parkland Hospital.
Again, where is the physical windshield now? One account says it is in the dumpster (long gone), and other account says it is in storage of the National Archives in Kansas.
Don't know and it doesn't matter. Probably in a dumpster, if it were relevant it would have been unearthed long ago.
Nope. Sounds like we have one overly self-aggrandizing conspiratard with an agenda though. Why is it you claim the two people who clearly discussed the topic you wished discussed are government apologists? Didn't they tell you what you wanted to hear so now you have to attack them? If you never listen to what you don't want to hear, how do you ever learn what the truth is? Wow. That sucks.
This is from the National Archives website -- These are from the Mary Ferrell Foundation website -- And here is video of the windshield being placed into storage -- [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-rQ6Jay6w]Warehouse Scene[/ame]
Your post of the windshield is interesting. I was under the understanding it was destroyed by Ford Motor Company by their windshield division, working on a weekend at a quiet time while most of the employees were off. There is eyewitness testimony that says the bullet hole windshield was destroyed. So which is the truth?
Did they find any DNA or brain matter on the glass and if they did where did it go? I don't see anything on that glass in the photos
People testified, the hole was from the front. Repeat, hole from bullet entering from the front. This is a video from a Doctor, that is familiar with guns and ammo. I feel quite confident, this as well as other testimony, proves a shot or shots from the front of the vehicle. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7RYjgcepX0"]JFK - THE FRONT WINDSHIELD WAS FIRED AT - PROOF BULLET WAS FROM THE FRONT NOT REAR - YouTube[/ame]
That is what I am getting at, the glass in the photos could be a substitute. IMO JFK was hit in the head from behind, but not from Oswald and not from the 6th floor of the TSBD. More likely from the building next to the depository from just above street level. And there is a possibility he was hit by a shot to the head from his right side at the same time the bullet from behind impacted. A bullet strike to the head from behind or from the side would have left DNA on the windshield The shot into the throat was from the front, and that is why there was bullet hole in the glass.
\ There is no evidence of a shooter anywhere else so your claim of a shooter in another building is pure speculation. The throat wound was an exit wound which is proven by medical evidence. The hole in the windshield was clearly from inside the car the location of the hole is nearly in front of the driver which dictates that had it come from outside the limo the shooter would have had to be positioned on the left side of the limo's front end which mneans in plain view on a public sidewalk.
as you can see from the replys here on this thread,no you dont have any serious researchers here,just lone nut apologists who are just here to do nothing but troll.the secret service destroyed the evidence of the windshield as you know because also as you know,the original photographs showed a bullet hole in the windshield of the car which is another one of the incredible amounts of evidence that proves there was more than one gunman which destroys the warren commissions lies that it was a lone gunman.there were bullet holes in places like the windshield and on the grass that destroyed the myth of the warren commission so they had to destroy the evidence like they did here with the windshield and with the bullet in the grass that you see an FBI agent illegally picking up and putting in his pocket and walking off with in photos as well.thats why lone nut apologists can only fling crap in defeat while defending the lies of the warren commission.
All medical evidence of the neck wound was destroyed when the tracheotomey was performed on the Prez. The only thing we have is the testimony of those who saw the wound prior to the procedure. All the testimony I have read and seen on video indicate an entrance wound of about 5mm
This is AP photographer Jim Altgen's famous photograph taken during the motorcade. It corresponds to frame 255 in the Zapruder film. Study the picture carefully, and you'll notice several things, most specifically -- President Kennedy is seen reacting to a bullet wound. His arms are raised towards his throat, he is slumping over towards his left. If you look carefully, you'll see the cuffs of his shirt poking out from the sleeves of his suit jacket. You'll also notice the windshield is in pristine condition - no visible holes, cracks, or chips whatsoever. At the moment this picture was taken, there is absolutely NO indication of damage to the windshield. So... it seems that the damage to the windshield must have come after this picture was taken - wouldn't you say? But if the hole in the windshield came from the shot from the front that hit JFK in the throat, and the picture taken almost immediately afterward doesn't show a hole in the windshield, then something doesn't add up - does it?
The host of that image is blogspot, not a place one could protect an image from being manipulated. Secondly, there are so many shadows in that image, a hole could not be seen clearly. So I would guess no information can be asserted from this photo. I saved a copy of the image, and enlarged it on a large monitor. The photograph shows a large amount of grain or noise, which one would expect to find. You also find photo shop changes inside the windshield. One round and one rectangular. Possible more, but two easy to spot alterations to the photo are visible. The alterations do not prove anything, except the image is not unaltered.
Not true, he could have been in a hang glider coming at the President from the front. Why didn't anybody see him? Because it was an invisible hang glider....with a silenced sniper rifle that had yet to be developed... Hey...it makes just as much sense as those who say Oswald wasn't guilty.
The Altgen's photograph has been published years before PhotoShop programs were possible. There are at least a half-dozen books that contain that image in them, and they all reveal the same thing - no crack in the windshield. The hole in the windshield - the shot that is alleged to come from the front - would be approximately straight down from the column next to where Billy Lovelady is standing in the front of the TSBD, and directly to the viewer's right of the rearview mirror. But... there is nothing. Which means either that whatever struck the windshield and caused the chip/crack to the windshield hadn't happened as of the moment this photograph was taken, or the nefarious cabal that had JFK assassinated altered this photograph as well. Now far me it from me to discount your find, however. If you believe that you've found evidence of the Altgen's photograph being altered, I suggest that you examine a higher-quality print of the photograph to see if you can notice the same alterations you've supposedly spotted in the online version I posted. Who knows, you may have found the smoking gun! Personally though, I think the smoking gun is a cap pistol... BTW -- That really isn't Billy Lovelady standing in front of the TSBD, it's Lee Harvey himself. The testimony that it is Billy Lovelady is all falsified, and this is just more evidence of the conspiracy.
If you look closely, to the right of the mirror, you can see, what appears to be a defect in the windshield! If you blow that picture up even more you can see it clearer.
Welcome back, porsteam - long time no see! Here's a photograph of the windshield that was taken early in the morning of November 23rd, 1963 when the limousine was in the White House basement -- FBI Laboratory Examiner Robert Frazier testified to the Warren Commission, that -- The crack in the windshield that shows in the FBI photograph taken that evening, doesn't show in the Altgens photograph. Therefore, we can safely say that the crack in the windshield hadn't happened at the moment the Altgens photograph was taken. Or, it's just more proof of the nefarious handiwork of the conspirators...
The cracks would depend on a variety of things - how hard the windshield glass was struck originally, what temperature changes the windshield went through, what vibrations in might have encountered. But a bullet going through double-laminated safety glass is going to leave something more visible than a little hole. Here is a picture of the limousine at Parkland hospital. Look just to the left of the rearview mirror -- Now, if that is an entrance hole, based upon the relationship of where JFK was sitting to the hole in the windshield, the shooter would have to have been down low somewhere near where Commerce St. goes under the Triple Underpass.
http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=44&fullsize=1 Here is Altgens photo #7, you can see the defect in the windshield, just left of the antenna and is in the same location on the windshield in Altgens Photo #6. You really can't tell if there is a hole in the windshield, but white frothing, as I understand it, is indicative of a through and through hole. The fact that that defect is shown in Altgens Photo #6, the defect happened before the head shot, which the WC stated happened from a fragment from the head shot. So, what caused the defect?, it surely wasn't from CE-399.
But the frothing that is in the #7 Altgens photograph doesn't exist in the pictures of the limousine at Parkland - only a cracked windshield is evident. So... are we looking at perhaps the sun reflecting off the cracks in the windshield, and making the crack in the glass look worse than it is? What I'm considering is this - There is no testimony from witnesses, no statements made to the press, no interviews whatsoever that I'm aware of that refer to someone seeing a hole in the windshield glass. The limousine was parked outside the ER entrance at Parkland, and the place was swarming with photographers. Photographs exist of the blood-covered inside of the limousine, but no photographs exist of a hole in the limousine windshield - which would seem to be an obvious item to be photographed. Unless, the hole wasn't a hole, it was a small, not really noticable, crack in the glass. BTW - Something I'm looking up at the present is whether or not the windshield glass was bulletproof glass. I've found documents that state when the car was rebuilt bulletproof glass was added, but nothing about the composition of the original limousine windshield.
