Right wing wet dream

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  1. Royd Bogan

    Royd Bogan New Member

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    An economy without unions to represent workers. Now what would that look like?
     
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    Goldwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would be like it was before the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, no minimum wage, no time and a half, no overtime pay, no labor restrictions for minors.

    It might also come to include fewer holidays, no benefits, lower wages, and no attention paid to worker safety. Kind of like Brazil, China, and India till the 1990's.
     
  3. Revere

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    Just public employees unions are a problem. They are nothing but criminal front groups for Democrats laundering taxpayer money back into their pockets.
     
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    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). There are laws that cover those things now.

    People in nonunion plants get holidays off and receive benefits so that's just more BS. OSHA is there to enforce worker safety standards.

    But the fight today is about public sector unions, not all unions, and public employees shouldn't be able to hold taxpayers hostage to receive better benefits than other workers receive. Those striking teachers in Wisconsin are the perfect example of why public sector unions are bad for everyone except their members.
     
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    Royd Bogan New Member

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    Not relevant - bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! Try again! :mrgreen:
     
  6. Royd Bogan

    Royd Bogan New Member

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    Ouch. Like a counter time-stream there, the so-called Third World is moving forward and the US is moving backward.
     
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    There are laws that cover those things now. At the moment there might be, but if the right has its way you'll lose them. Do you think you should lose them?

    Do you see what you're saying in your final paragraph? Public sector workers, who are unionised, have better pay and conditions than private sector workers who are not unionised. What you are apparently calling for is for the public sector to become like the private sector, non-unionised and poorly remunerated. When that's done what's left? What's left is the removal of holidays, occupational heath and safety, pension schemes....See where it can go? That's why I created this thread so people could think about a nation with no unions and see what it would look like.

    You only get 14 days vacation a year. That's criminal, but you could even lose that if the right gets its way.
     
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    People who produce worthwhile things don't use more than 14 days of vacation per year.
     
  9. Revere

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    Public employee unions picked the wrong time to pizz off taxpayers.
     
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    American jobs were sent to China. There are no real unions in China. Blame the Chinese.
     
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    Tell it to the Chinese. I don't think they care.
     
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    Royd Bogan New Member

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    Sad, sad, sad. Don't you understand that not only do employers pay for your labour they pay for hours of your life? Live to work or work to live?
     
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    Royd Bogan New Member

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    Albert:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzC5HT1Qhmo"]YouTube - Monty Python's "I Like Chinese"[/ame]
     
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    China? All hail the 100 hour working week.
     
  15. flounder

    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    Oh please.................''Gee not only do I have to perform but I have to show up as well ?''
    You guys kill me......''Cant I get a hourly wage without working hourly?''

    You guys need a second set of parents, no two ways about it...:bored:

    Some companies let you work at home....then you can do as you want
     
  16. RedWolf

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    My last job was a non-union work place. They had minimum wage,paid vacation,holiday bonuses,and everything else that a normal place of business has.
     
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    flounder In Memoriam Past Donor

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    Yeah, then you complain they are kicking our ass....

    Sorry, stopped serving egg in your beer a long time ago....:-D
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    An economy without unions, without investment taxes, and without estate taxes. That way the superrich can inherit and live of the massive control of the wealth they have tax free, while working people pay the tax.

    That is the conservative/liberarian utopia.

    Eventually it would look pretty much like the feudal system
     
  19. PatrickT

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    When I worked at a government operation that had no union it looked pretty good. We met with management, negotiated health insurance, salary, and other benefits. We did well.

    The corrupt, incompetent, lazy, and brutal did suffer, though. Some were fired, they didn't get promoted. Life sucked for them.

    Then the corrupt, incompetent, lazy, and brutal brought in a union and now everything revolves around extortion and conflict and it's been downhill ever since.

    Go figure.

    But, we mustn't overlook the left-wing wet dream. That's were there are no unions because there are no jobs and everyone is, sigh, equal.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which "left-wing" person has said anything that?
     
  21. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    The same fellow who said a country without labor unions was a right-wing wet dream? Oh, I forgot. Different standards, right?

    Okay, I said it. Got a problem with equality?
     
  22. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, just a problem with people fabricating a straw man to try to make an argument.
     
  23. ian

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    Correction, kicking your ass.
     
  24. SpankyTheWhale

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    Depending upon what you mean by "right wing," it also involves the disunity between corporations and government bodies. So there is much like a free market.
     
  25. B.Larset

    B.Larset Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I still have trouble spotting the arguments and following the fallacies.

    What is it in this thread enlighten me.
     

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