Zimbabwe the regretable truths.

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  1. Jayce

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    Hi everyone! I am starting this as an open discussion and debate on the politics of Zimbabwe and its relations with the international community. My question to kick things off is... ' Is the situation in Zimbabwe truely desearving of the attention it has been recieving and what does Mugabe's Zanu pf stand for... Liberater or dictator?'
     
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    White folks land gettin' ripped off again in Zimbabwe...
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    Zimbabwe: a new wave of land seizures?
    September 21, 2011 - Youths aligned with President Mugabe's ZANU PF party have begun a new wave of land seizures, attacking white and foreign-owned companies and damaging one of the few functioning parts of the economy.
     
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    Zimbabwe tryin' to make a comeback...
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    Zimbabwe's Economy on Recovery Path
    December 28, 2012 — Zimbabwe's Finance Minister says his country’s economy is on the path to recovery after decades of decline and will meet all its financial obligations for this year.
     
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    Sounds like the unity government's primary exercise is in kidding itself.
     
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    African nations, especially those that are resource rich, are doomed from the start. They will always be used as pawns in the larger political game played by more powerful nations. They will never be allowed to grow into a power in that region and its unfortunate.

    There were actually some very strong empires in that region before they were manipulated by the Europeans.
     
  6. waltky

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    Where's all the money from diamond sales?...
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    Zimbabwe says public account stood at $217 last week
    30 January 2013 - Zimbabwe's Finance Minister Tendai Biti has said that the country only had $217 (£138) left in its public account last week after paying civil servants.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Robert Mugabe should be held to same standard as every national leader is whether they are from Denmark, Japan or Peru.

    Simiply by the viriture of his race, he can get a free pass from the world's liberal media, and commit acts of genocide.

    Remeber when Hollywood elites had their big push to demonize South Africa's government and end apartheid? When has even one of these hypocrites demanded equal justice in Zimbabwe?
     
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    zimbabwe? isn't that just another failed african state? no, not really worth any attention in my view.
     
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    I don't think it's about race.

    It's about strategic angle. There's not much to gain from invading Zimbabwe.

    If you'll notice, most people we demonize (whether justifiably or not) are rulers of nations that offer something of value to us either in resources or in strategic influence.

    Zimbabwe doesn't matter to us because there's nothing to gain.

    Ending apartheid in South Africa wasn't as much about this just because they are considered a Western nation, and we have enough in common with them that criticizing them was more a matter of peer pressure.

    Granted, Reagan didn't exactly push much for ending apartheid. It took more liberal individuals to speak out against it here, since the ruling regime didn't particularly care at the time.

    Still, even most supposedly liberal pushes for interventionism aren't really about the related social issues. The attention given toward Kony was essentially a stealthed government propaganda project. I don't think anyone believes Kony is a nice guy, but the random nature of the attention thrown toward him (and the timing of this) made it seem very contrived.

    So, if we do actually start paying attention to Mugabe, it's not likely to be for humanitarian reasons as much as other motives.
     
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    I promise my left nut we will be "attacked" by radicals in West Africa in the next 50 years, thus invading and stealing their resources..
     
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    Zimbabwe was just about as westernized as South Africa, back when it was Rhodesia.

    Of course Zimbabwe isn't producing much of anything now except human rights abuses.

    I know it rubs against the grain, but the skin color/race thing is really why Mugabe slides.
     
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    Rhodesia had its own problems with something similar to apartheid before Mugabe entered power.

    In effect, what we're seeing in Zimbabwe today is a direct consequence of previous abuses.

    It doesn't make it right, but it provides a context for how things ended up like this.
     
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    Mebbe dey don't wanna buy dey's own...
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    Why are Zimbabwe police seizing radios?
    25 March 2013 - Wind-up, solar-powered radios might seem like an excellent idea to help cash-strapped Zimbabwean villagers pass the long, dark evenings.
     
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    Expulsion of white farmers comin' back to haunt Zimbabwe...
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    Experts: Zimbabwe food reserves severely depleted
    Apr 24,`13 -- Zimbabwe's grain reserves are running dangerously low ahead of new but poor harvests caused by erratic rain, an independent continent-wide development bank said Wednesday.
     
  15. Jayce

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    I do not think yours is a well informed comment. What is it about Zimbabwe do you actually know?
     
  16. Jayce

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    That's all very well but you seem to not understand why the land redistribution exercise occurred in the first place. Before the so called violent seizures of land, over 90% of the country's arable land was held by a mere 2000 farmers such imbalances in the distribution of land were intolerable and an outright perversion of the ideals that led the struggle for Independence. Admittedly, Crop production slumped for quite a while but the situation on the ground is far from what you depict to be the current situation. Tobacco sales exceed those of 1998 by an incredible 48% although grain deficits are still a real concern for the Government but the truth is, The land situation and all of the changes from it have been beneficial for the people. And another thing, The only reason why the land programme has not been as successful as envisioned is because of the insistent sabotage by subversive elements hell bent on seeing Zimbabwe truly becoming a failed sate
     
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    Firstly, these so called NGO's are the main agents advancing the regime change agenda in Zimbabwe. There mandate through MOU's singed with government is to aid in developmental programmes in areas were it is most needed and not the covert mobilization of support for an opposition party clearly backed by these NGO's home governments. The confiscation of these radios was not an infringement of any rights afforded to human beings but a logical counter to the threat of the illegal distribution of subversive materials through pirate radio stations operating outside of Zimbabwe whose only goal is discrediting ZANU PF and its policies. This isn't just babble, for example. USAID in Zimbabwe has been implicated in assisting the MDC in the voters roll scandal and also financing MDC activities. Since when do NGO's have the mandate bank roll a political party anywhere?
     
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    I don't recall the land redistribution exercise ever being branded as a failure and in all honesty, the economic meltdown was a direct effect of the illegal sanctions imposed against Zimbabwe for over a decade now. What we witnessed was the deliberate attack on the governments capability to provide for its peoples as such incapacitation was hoped to be cause enough for the people to rise against the Government in revolt. This failed and Zimbabwe is on a growth curve of around 4.5% with mining being the major driver for growth and prospects of economic stability. The Movement for Democratic Change spear headed by Mr Tsvangirai has resorted to using none governmental organizations to aid in the distribution of subversive materials aimed at securing a large support basis ahead of this years elections, the MDC was responsible for the calling of sanctions in 1999 against the government in protest against the land policies thus ransoming the ordinary people who constitute a majority at the expense of disposed white commercial farmers who only constituted less than 2000 people. ZANU PF's popularity is on the rise owing to its economic policies of indiginisation and empowerment whilst the MDC during its tenure in the all inclusive government of national unity has had more cases of infighting and corruption than ever witnessed before in Zimbabwe. At this very moment the MDC is back peddling trying to postpone the elections well knowing that the tenure of Government is about to end, this so being under the pretense of the non fulfillment of some of the previsions of the Global Political Agreement which to is nearing its natural death.
     
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    Haha! Spoken like a true global ninety niner broke much?
     
  20. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    95'er actually thank you very much. Seriously tho zimbabwe is as unimportant as it gets

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    95'er actually thank you very much. Seriously tho zimbabwe is as unimportant as it gets
     

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