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    Quote Originally Posted by AshenLady View Post
    It seems to me that the Dems were all pretty much pro-Israeli for the longest time, and only pretty recently, did they turn anti-Israeli.

    Does anyone know how/when this developed?

    Anti-Israel didn't seem to be part of the Dems agenda until the last couple of elections.
    They've been anti-Israel (with a few exceptions) as long as I can remember.
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    Just like everything else wrong with the Democrat Party it began about 1967 with the rise of radical left wing groups like the SLA, Black panther movement etc that sought to overthrow the establishment by force and violence.

    When that didn't succeed they decided to take the Fabian route and corrupt the system from within.

    Hatred of Jews and Israel is a common meme among communists, socialists, and others who absolutely need a scapegoat for as many of the world's problems as possible.

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    Democratic Party antipathy toward Israel is a combination of things Imo. African Americans seem more hostile toward Jews in general. Add to this the fact that the Palestinians are seen as victims by the academy, and you find a powerful anti-Israeli mix.

    American Jews are now whipsawed. They won't join conservatives, but their leftist allies are often hostile to their co-religionists. They are not in an enviable position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiliconMagician View Post
    Just like everything else wrong with the Democrat Party it began about 1967 with the rise of radical left wing groups like the SLA, Black panther movement etc that sought to overthrow the establishment by force and violence.

    When that didn't succeed they decided to take the Fabian route and corrupt the system from within.

    Hatred of Jews and Israel is a common meme among communists, socialists, and others who absolutely need a scapegoat for as many of the world's problems as possible.
    Have you read anything about Socialist Zionism or are you just inventing things as you go along?

    Every president since Eisenhower has tried to orchestrate a just peace in Palestine and every time has ended up with Zionist egg on his face.. and/or increased Foreign Aid to israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot View Post
    Have you read anything about Socialist Zionism or are you just inventing things as you go along?

    Every president since Eisenhower has tried to orchestrate a just peace in Palestine and every time has ended up with Zionist egg on his face.. and/or increased Foreign Aid to israel.
    Yeah, I "invented" the rise of the socialist left in America. A few stupid Jews has little to do with anything.
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    Anyone that believes in the ideals upon which America was founded which established the protection of the unalienable Rights of ALL People logically opposes the "Zionists" of Israel which reject this ideal. It is the opposition to the actions of these Israeli Zionist leaders that are opposed and not the Jewish People or Israel specifically.

    It is the Zionists that are opposed because of their violations of universal unalienable Rights and that is just cause for opposition to them.
    When social conservatives of the Republican Party state they want to return to "traditional American values" this is the "traditional American value" that they support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Democratic Party antipathy toward Israel is a combination of things Imo. African Americans seem more hostile toward Jews in general. Add to this the fact that the Palestinians are seen as victims by the academy, and you find a powerful anti-Israeli mix.

    American Jews are now whipsawed. They won't join conservatives, but their leftist allies are often hostile to their co-religionists. They are not in an enviable position.
    There is antisemitism in some areas of the "black community", an unfortunate outcome from an event in the '60s involving school politics-- I forget the details, but before that point, Jews were strong allies to the black community as champions of civil rights... It looks like yet another case of status quo elites harvesting and exacerbating resentment to divide and conquer.
    But then, blacks don't vote as a bloc based on anti-semitism, so it's irrelevant.
    Also, I think black antisemitism is overestimated thanks to a few nutty high profile preachers (always preachers of some sort-- it's religious more than political)

    The other point is more valid.
    But then the Palestinians, at least most of them, are victims.
    That doesn't mean Jewish civilians killed by Palestinian terrorists aren't victims, but some people are drawn to poles.
    I honestly can't contemplate how people can't have some sympathy toward both sides.

    But the most common Democratic belief is two-state solution. The same solution favored by most American Jews and Israeli Jews for that matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by SiliconMagician View Post
    Yeah, I "invented" the rise of the socialist left in America. A few stupid Jews has little to do with anything.
    Zionist socialism isn't "a few stupid Jews". It was a major movement in the formation of Israel. It's still a big part of national identity to many Israelis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva_TD View Post
    Anyone that believes in the ideals upon which America was founded which established the protection of the unalienable Rights of ALL People logically opposes the "Zionists" of Israel which reject this ideal. It is the opposition to the actions of these Israeli Zionist leaders that are opposed and not the Jewish People or Israel specifically.

    It is the Zionists that are opposed because of their violations of universal unalienable Rights and that is just cause for opposition to them.
    I think Zionists is too broad a term here.
    That word has come to mean all people who back the existence of the state of Israel.
    It seems like you're more at odds with a particular subset that wants Israel to be a theocratic state giving extra rights to orthodox Jews (Netanyahu being a prime example of that branch-- but it looks like a lot of Israelis aren't so fond of him anymore).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JavaBlack View Post
    Jews, as a demographic, are overwhelmingly liberal and one of the most loyal Democratic blocs. This continues even after Democrats supposedly turned "anti-Israel."
    "Supposedly"? Who are the ones standing up for Israel, nowadays? Liberals? The ones who insist that Israel return land they legitimately won after Egypt declared war on them? The ones portraying Israel as the aggressors, even when the entire Arab world is plotting ways to wipe Israel off the map? The only friend Israel has in this country are conservatives who understand the value in supporting a fellow Western ally.

    Your culture war rhetoric only helps exemplify why conservatives don't get more Jewish support. You treat the world as a battle between Christians and Jews. Jews are "supported" because they are considered an ally against the common enemy, the common enemy depicted as less-than-human.
    Yes, I believe violent Muslim terrorists, who believe in wholesale slaughter of Jews and anyone else resisting Islam, are less than human, in many ways. Sorry you feel the opposite way, although it is not surprising, in the least.

    And, last time I checked, it was Muslims who divided the world into "Dar al Islam" and "Dar al Harb" — "House of Islam" and "House of War", respectively. The Dar al Harb is any place where Shariah is not the law of the land, and it is the responsibility of Muslims to engage in war in these areas until Allah's religion reigns supreme. This is what Muslims in Palestine believe.

    Jews are also divided on whether Netanyahu is a hero or a guy that should be thrown out on the streets. But I guess Christian theocrats see a lot of themselves in a man whose entire ideology is centered around favoritism to a fundamentalist sect.
    If the circumstances were different I could see Christian theocrats loving the Saudi royal family... Oh wait...
    Not sure what you are alluding to here.
    Last edited by Brewskier; Aug 24 2011 at 05:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiva_TD View Post
    Anyone that believes in the ideals upon which America was founded which established the protection of the unalienable Rights of ALL People logically opposes the "Zionists" of Israel which reject this ideal. It is the opposition to the actions of these Israeli Zionist leaders that are opposed and not the Jewish People or Israel specifically.

    It is the Zionists that are opposed because of their violations of universal unalienable Rights and that is just cause for opposition to them.
    At least Israel acknowledges the existence of unalienable Human Rights, which is more than one can say about Palestine, or any of the surrounding Arab Islamic countries.

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    Why are we standing up for Israel?

    The ONLY place in the world where Jews are in danger is the Occupied territories..

    American Jewry is not as supportive as they once were.. Remember.. Bibi Netyanhu cursed Obama as a J Street Jew because they are for peace in Palestine.

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