Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
--C. S. Lewis, God in the Dock, p. 292.
Just like everything else wrong with the Democrat Party it began about 1967 with the rise of radical left wing groups like the SLA, Black panther movement etc that sought to overthrow the establishment by force and violence.
When that didn't succeed they decided to take the Fabian route and corrupt the system from within.
Hatred of Jews and Israel is a common meme among communists, socialists, and others who absolutely need a scapegoat for as many of the world's problems as possible.
Democratic Party antipathy toward Israel is a combination of things Imo. African Americans seem more hostile toward Jews in general. Add to this the fact that the Palestinians are seen as victims by the academy, and you find a powerful anti-Israeli mix.
American Jews are now whipsawed. They won't join conservatives, but their leftist allies are often hostile to their co-religionists. They are not in an enviable position.
Every president since Eisenhower has tried to orchestrate a just peace in Palestine and every time has ended up with Zionist egg on his face.. and/or increased Foreign Aid to israel.
Anyone that believes in the ideals upon which America was founded which established the protection of the unalienable Rights of ALL People logically opposes the "Zionists" of Israel which reject this ideal. It is the opposition to the actions of these Israeli Zionist leaders that are opposed and not the Jewish People or Israel specifically.
It is the Zionists that are opposed because of their violations of universal unalienable Rights and that is just cause for opposition to them.
Republicans were more likely than Democrats to express racial prejudice in the questions measuring explicit (anti-black) racism (79% among Republicans compared with 32% among Democrats).
Source: 2012 AP Study on racial prejudice in America (link providee on request by PM)
But then, blacks don't vote as a bloc based on anti-semitism, so it's irrelevant.
Also, I think black antisemitism is overestimated thanks to a few nutty high profile preachers (always preachers of some sort-- it's religious more than political)
The other point is more valid.
But then the Palestinians, at least most of them, are victims.
That doesn't mean Jewish civilians killed by Palestinian terrorists aren't victims, but some people are drawn to poles.
I honestly can't contemplate how people can't have some sympathy toward both sides.
But the most common Democratic belief is two-state solution. The same solution favored by most American Jews and Israeli Jews for that matter.
That word has come to mean all people who back the existence of the state of Israel.
It seems like you're more at odds with a particular subset that wants Israel to be a theocratic state giving extra rights to orthodox Jews (Netanyahu being a prime example of that branch-- but it looks like a lot of Israelis aren't so fond of him anymore).
"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money."
Yes, I believe violent Muslim terrorists, who believe in wholesale slaughter of Jews and anyone else resisting Islam, are less than human, in many ways. Sorry you feel the opposite way, although it is not surprising, in the least.Your culture war rhetoric only helps exemplify why conservatives don't get more Jewish support. You treat the world as a battle between Christians and Jews. Jews are "supported" because they are considered an ally against the common enemy, the common enemy depicted as less-than-human.
And, last time I checked, it was Muslims who divided the world into "Dar al Islam" and "Dar al Harb" — "House of Islam" and "House of War", respectively. The Dar al Harb is any place where Shariah is not the law of the land, and it is the responsibility of Muslims to engage in war in these areas until Allah's religion reigns supreme. This is what Muslims in Palestine believe.
Not sure what you are alluding to here.Jews are also divided on whether Netanyahu is a hero or a guy that should be thrown out on the streets. But I guess Christian theocrats see a lot of themselves in a man whose entire ideology is centered around favoritism to a fundamentalist sect.
If the circumstances were different I could see Christian theocrats loving the Saudi royal family... Oh wait...
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Why are we standing up for Israel?
The ONLY place in the world where Jews are in danger is the Occupied territories..
American Jewry is not as supportive as they once were.. Remember.. Bibi Netyanhu cursed Obama as a J Street Jew because they are for peace in Palestine.