china cracks down on dissent

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  1. dujac

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    china now spends more on domestic security than on its military


    Events in the Middle East are reverberating throughout the world, but no government is as committed to squashing domestic protests as is the leadership in Beijing. The government there has begun a crackdown against liberal voices in China. This seems to be a systematic effort that includes control of communications, beefing up internal security, arrest and prosecution of progressives, and even extralegal mechanisms.


    We say "seems" because the Chinese government claims to have no hand in recent events. China's lack of transparency provides deniability, but there is no mistaking Beijing's concern about stability and maintaining social harmony, no matter what the cost.

    "Social management" has been identified as a top priority at meetings of senior national and provincial leaders. At the recently concluded National People's Congress, the Chinese government unveiled the 12th Five Year Blueprint on Economic and Social Development. This document focuses on public security, in particular containing and reducing the tens of thousands of mass-demonstration incidents that now occur in China each year. The Chinese plan includes measures that range from increasing the number of "volunteers" who will keep an eye out for and respond to unrest to beefing up the budget for public security forces. For the first time, the official budget this year spends more money on public security ($95 billion) than the People's Liberation Army ($92 billion).

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  2. reedak

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    It's good news for the US military indeed.
     
  3. dujac

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    i don't think so

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    what qualifies as public security in the PRC? even with their lower costs, $95 billion doesn't seem like a lot if it's their complete law enforcement apparatus.
     
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    so you're in support of the chinese government's crackdown on human rights such as free speech, religion and etc?
     
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    just looking for the facts.:sun:
     
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    the facts are that human rights are being violated in china
     
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    Uh-oh, Ban got his Weiwei caught inna wringer...
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    Ban slammed over silence on wave of arrests in China
    Tue, Apr 19, 2011 - UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon came out all diplomatic and political guns blazing to defend protesters in the Arab world and civilians in Ivory Coast, but on a new wave of arrests in China there was silence.
     
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    China may have the man power over us but I dont think their technology in military weapons and such doesn't stack up at all. As a Japanese-American I can say i'm not too fond of them either...jerks.
     
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    I'm aware of the history between Japan and China, but you can't judge a whole nation of people on their government.
     
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    Well I've been there before and they let it be known that they don't like americans. (The one's i've come across anyway) and I like to remind them that hey, you think we give two $hits? hah.
     
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    The internal affairs of the Chinese people are none of the business of Americans. The Han will find their own balance. America should focus on its problems.
     
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    the human right violations in china are the world's problem; there are people in the united states that have much business in china
     
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    He did not get close to saying that. He was just looking to give some context to the number. Calm down.
     
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    China protests go viral on the web...
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    China's web users are powering dissent
    11 November 2011 - Tens of thousands of people have responded to Ai Weiwei's internet appeal for financial support
     
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    only 0.001% chinese actually care about political freedom, religion freedom etc in china. the rest avg chinese are more worry about inflation, house price, economic opportunity, jobs etc. thats why china is not gonna experience any arab spring anytime time soon. in china as long as you don't do any public protest that is relate to democratic movenment, you are pretty much fine when doing everything else. millions chinese criticize the government online everyday. human rights is not the 1st priority on avg chinese mind, and the chinese government know this. the reason chinese government do all those undervalue currency, unfair trade etc is for economic growth & job creation, this is actually the first priority for chinese, and this is the only way chinese allow the government stay in power.
     
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    China cracks heads on it's own people for many reasons. Dissent is just one of many.

    they are in modern-day slavery over there.
     
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    You'll find that concerns over inflatio, housing prices, and economic opportunity are directly related to civil disobedience. Prosperous countries rarely rebel against their governments. People can tolerate state run media, they can't tolerate not having a job or hosue.
     
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    greek, london, NYC. its about economy, not political. even the arab spring started due to economy issues. 99.9% chinese is worry about jobs, and other economy relate issues. inflation, and housing prices in china has nothing to do with political/democratic movement.
     
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    Economic issues spur political movements.
     
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    rarely, all the protests we seen in greek, nyc, london are about economic changes. most protest in china is about economic changes rather than about democracy.
     
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    The protests in Europe and the U.S. aren't against oppressive governments. The protests in China are of a very different nature.
     
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    out of thousands protest every year in china, rarely there are protest about oppressive government(probably less than 1%). most protest in china are about inflation, house price, and other economic issues or environmental issues.
     
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    The protests in China are mainly about corruption and the abuse of eminent domain.
     
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    Aka...oppressive government.
     

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