Karl Marx: Bum extraordinaire

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  1. Flanders

    Flanders Well-Known Member

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    The enclosed article in part two by Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh is a brilliant dissection of communism. I knew Karl Marx was a bum, but I have to admit I never knew just how bad he was until I read the following excerpt:

    The grandfather of all communists, Karl Marx, found a benefactor, Friedrich Engels, the son of a businessman in Prussia, to support him and his family while he sought re-distribution of wealth in his native Russia through “cultural and political revolution.” Karl Marx was your 1960s hippie bum who hated manual labor, finding ways with “ideas” to mooch off rich patrons.

    While his large family survived on a diet of bread and potatoes, he worked on his “Communist Manifesto” with Engels. Three of his seven children died before the age of ten and one died in infancy because they were malnourished and literally starved to death.

    In 1852, a police spy from Prussia said that Marx, with a Doctorate of Philosophy from Berlin University, “lived the life of a gypsy, rarely washing, combing, and changing his linens. He is a drunk and idle for days on end…” He was being spied on as the leader of the Communist Party. Such philosophers as Marx were not interested in contributing anything productive in society, but destroying it and creating their communist Utopia.

    Cleanliness is next to godliness. Marx’s hippy admirers in the 1960s neither believed in God nor cleanliness. Drive Socialists away from the public trough and they will go back to living in filth rather than get a job.

    Just to be clear on government employment. Responsible civil servants are entitled to respect and should not be confused with Socialists who simply want to live on tax dollars. The task for conservatives is to identify true civil servants —— then separate them from public trough leeches. Socialists in government gained respectability by aligning themselves with legitimate civil servants; so the public identifying them through a socialist-controlled mainstream media is taking time. Thanks to the Internet the process is speeding up, but it is still moving too slow for comfort.

    I want to add a few of my observations on socialism/communism to Dr. Paugh’s analysis.

    Let me begin by saying I often use the phrase socialism/communism; where Paugh says socialism and communism.

    Socialists deny the existence of God in every instance except one: “Lifetime tenure at the public trough is my God-given Right.” Socialists also demand unlimited, tax dollar funded, capitalism for themselves and socialism for the rest of us.

    This excerpt is near and dear to my heart:


    “Creeping socialism”

    The “creeping socialism” that Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, and Friedrich von Hayek have warned us about is now blatant and a daily reality: illegal government takeover of Chrysler, GM, student loan programs from banks, banking industry, health care, internet control, FCC radio programming content, stifling of conservative speech, attack on Christianity, its symbols, and Judeo-Christian values. Private sector of our economy is shrinking every day; our economy is becoming more and more socialist. “We are all socialists now,” said Newsweek on its cover.

    For years I’ve tried to bring the warning in the above excerpt up to date this way:

    When the Soviet Union collapsed the end was definitely in sight for creeping socialism in the United States, but with Hussein & Company in charge it is returning with a vengeance.

    When American Socialists/Communists lost their soviet muscle they were scared witless because the threat of domestic violence if they didn’t get their way was meaningless without the big bad Soviet Union ready to come to their aid. Responsible Americans were forced to decide between destroying socialism here at home by turning the Cold War into a hot nuclear war, or to standby and let Socialists erode personal liberties here in the U.S. Obviously the right decision was made.

    The Soviet threat is gone and American Communists no longer have external muscle to fall back on. Had the Cold War never happened, socialism in this country would have been dead and buried decades ago. Rather than give up after the Soviet Union imploded, Democrat party leaders have been grooming Communist China to replace Soviet muscle since the Clinton years.

    The former Soviet Union is the best lesson available for understanding and ultimately rejecting socialism. Socialists/Communists had total control in the now defunct Soviet Union for the better part of a century and socialism failed. However, it is not the collapse of that system that is the most significant factor in understanding socialism, although that collapse was a good thing and I’ll take it. It is the fact that Socialists are being elected to the Russian Duma in free and fair elections that tells the story —— the country is still a mess.

    Today’s Russia should tell everyone that Socialists cannot improve conditions under any system because wealth must be created first. That is not happening now, nor did it happen when they were in charge. Socialists must confiscate the wealth that others create in order for them to preach their gospel. The only thing that Socialists can claim they create in any country is a dependant class of tax dollar millionaires. Even in the Soviet Union there were a number of rich individuals, and to no one’s surprise they were all Communists in government positions or loyal party members beholden to the party bosses. Sound familiar?

    The Contract With America

    Most Americans will always take a hard right when circumstances permit. The Republicans won the majority in Congress in 1994 because enough Americans finally saw that the Soviet Union was no longer a military threat ready to come to the aid of American Communists. The Contract With America would never have been proposed had the Soviet Union still been with us.

    Confiscating wealth

    Without wealth created by others under their control, Socialists usually denounce all government as the most evil institution man ever invented; worse than religion until they get control. Once the government is in their hands it becomes mankind’s only hope of salvation. Furthermore, when they have the nation’s wealth under their control, they take credit for creating it just as they take credit for the economic and social improvements non-Socialist, private sector, Americans fought so hard to bring about in the first part of the twentieth century. Those Americans certainly never intended the private sector citizen to lose any freedoms in order to make socialism a viable proposition.

    Freedom-loving Russians are now in the process of learning a hard lesson. They will learn that it is relatively easier to overthrow a totalitarian system than it is to get rid of socialism in a democratic, free market, system of government as we in the United States know only too well. Once the Russian people finally get the government out of the way they can encourage a private sector that is allowed to create wealth. When that happens Russian Socialists will again mount their pulpits and tell everyone what to do with that wealth. Of course, as the money begins to circulate, much of it will stick to Socialist/Communist fingers.

    Incidentally, American Socialists rejected equal distribution of the wealth, preferring circulation of the wealth as the best way to bring Americans to totalitarian communism.

    Socialism the religion

    Socialism/Communism is a religion in all things except a belief in God. Socialist can only govern by telling people what to do rather than telling them what NOT to do. All Socialists are theocrats at heart. Logically, all Socialists are afflicted with a priestly personalty: They want to tell everyone else how to live. However, Supreme Deity priesthoods have the best part of the bargain because bad people, evil, etc., will always be with mankind; ergo, the traditional priest will always have a ready-made enemy to rail against; whereas, the poor socialist needs wealth to denounce before he or she can climb the pulpit with any semblance of credibility.

    When private sector wealth is not available to demonize, Socialists flop about like fish out of water in the poorest of Third World countries. Communists in Third World countries are forced to attack “greedy capitalists” in foreign countries. A one government world is the obvious solution to their problem.

    I should mention that the United States is basically a religious society yet most Americans distrust, and even dislike, the priestly personalty; particularly when priests of any stripe usurp political power. Americans always did, and always will, reject any political philosophy that ultimately ends in totalitarianism.

    The middle class

    Using propaganda, the power of government, and taxation, American Communists have been turning the educated middle class away from a love of individual liberty for all and into an ever-increasing herd of ravenous swine oinking for more and more tax dollars. I refer to teachers, the press, TV in particular, the Hollywood horde, and everyone else that derives the majority of their huge incomes from tax dollars, special legislation, and tax breaks even though such people are not needed to keep a minimum of necessary government running

    Finally, there is one prohibition the MSM holds inviolate: Never link a Democrat to communism. Socialism on occasion, but never communism. That’s one of the reasons why I combine the two words.
     
  2. Flanders

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    PART TWO

    Americans are greatly misinformed when it comes to socialism and communism
    American Ignorance
    By Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh Thursday, May 26, 2011

    Americans are greatly misinformed when it comes to socialism and communism. Winston Churchill said it best, “socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

    Socialism is ownership and control by the government of the means of production and of distribution. It is the stage following capitalism in the transition to communism. During this stage, according to Marxist theory, collectivism is implemented imperfectly. Communism, the ultimate utopia, refines this process.

    “Socius” is Latin for comrade and ally. You had to be very careful whom you allied with, lest you found yourself in jail or dead. “Communis” is Latin for “shared.” I can attest first hand that nobody shared anything under communism except misery and poverty, except for the ruling elite. Although communism is described in textbooks as having no classes, in reality there were two: the proletariat (the majority) and the ruling elite (communist party members).

    The grandfather of all communists, Karl Marx, found a benefactor, Friedrich Engels, the son of a businessman in Prussia, to support him and his family while he sought re-distribution of wealth in his native Russia through “cultural and political revolution.” Karl Marx was your 1960s hippie bum who hated manual labor, finding ways with “ideas” to mooch off rich patrons.

    While his large family survived on a diet of bread and potatoes, he worked on his “Communist Manifesto” with Engels. Three of his seven children died before the age of ten and one died in infancy because they were malnourished and literally starved to death.

    In 1852, a police spy from Prussia said that Marx, with a Doctorate of Philosophy from Berlin University, “lived the life of a gypsy, rarely washing, combing, and changing his linens. He is a drunk and idle for days on end…” He was being spied on as the leader of the Communist Party. Such philosophers as Marx were not interested in contributing anything productive in society, but destroying it and creating their communist Utopia.

    Marx died a pauper although his wife was the daughter of the Prussian Prime Minister. Espousing ideas and creating havoc in orderly society were more important to Marx than caring for his family or contributing to society in a positive way. His ideas laid the groundwork for immense destruction of property, of families, and the killing of millions of innocents across the globe.

    “Creeping socialism”

    The “creeping socialism” that Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, and Friedrich von Hayek have warned us about is now blatant and a daily reality: illegal government takeover of Chrysler, GM, student loan programs from banks, banking industry, health care, internet control, FCC radio programming content, stifling of conservative speech, attack on Christianity, its symbols, and Judeo-Christian values. Private sector of our economy is shrinking every day; our economy is becoming more and more socialist. “We are all socialists now,” said Newsweek on its cover.

    Having lived under socialism and communism for twenty years, I can attest that there is nothing “shared” except misery. There is nothing “equal” under communism except poverty; doctors, lawyers, mechanics, teachers were paid the same miserable salaries and had to work in less than desirable places, dictated by the communist party upon graduation. There is no “leveling of the playing field,” to use the Democrat euphemism. There is no “economic security” but insecurity. There is no “living wage,” another darling euphemism of the Democrats, but a barely surviving wage. The communist work ethic is, “we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us.”

    Socialism and Communism are not open but repressive societies

    Socialism and Communism are not open but repressive societies. There is no “universal healthcare,” but rationing of it. There is no “public good, only the communist party “good” and goodies at specialized communist party-only stores. There is no free public education but forced indoctrination into the Marxist theory through Marxist Economics and the laughable “Scientific Socialism.” Students of all ages had to study and pass these courses.

    We define our civilization by our humanity. There was no humanity under communism. Life was worthless unless it was the life of those in power. If a baby was born with a fixable handicap, nobody bothered to spend valuable resources on repairing the problem, he/she was left to die unattended.

    Students were vaccinated in school with the same 3-4 syringes and needles boiled in rusty pans every morning, not autoclaved. Hepatitis was rampant. Hospitals washed and re-washed bandages and cotton. Hospital personnel, from orderlies to nurses, to doctors had to be bribed in order to have proper care provided to the patient. Medical care and drugs were free but families had to provide sheets, towels, round the clock care, food, drugs bought on the black market. The patient who had no family caring for them lingered in a metal frame bed unattended for weeks until they got better on their own or died.

    The doctor would write an order for a prescription, the hospital pharmacy could not fill it because they had run out of money to buy the drugs. The family would buy it on the black market and bring it to the doctor so he can administer it to the patient. When 4 p.m. came, everybody went home, nobody worked beyond the required 8 hours. Who cared if patients died during the night? There were no inquires and no accountability.

    I have lost many family members to medical malpractice, lack of care, gross medical negligence, and rationing of care based on age or connections to the elite in power. Yes, “death panels” did very much exist. People lingered in hospitals for weeks, ignored by medical staff, untreated, unfed, literally screaming in pain, with no drugs available to ease the pain unless doctors were bribed with money, soap, shampoo, wine, food, cigarettes, gold, and foreign made goods.

    We had free medical care for all in Romania. The doctors were poorly trained, had no adequate equipment, were under-paid, and violated the Hippocratic Oath daily by giving poor or no medical care unless bribes were given. Rationing had to be imposed in order to serve everybody. Ambulances were a joke – they came with no staff of emergency equipment and arrived not just hours but days late. Some drivers would stop on the way to the hospital to pick up hitchhikers in order to make extra money. The neglect and potholes were enough to kill anybody.

    Pharmacy shelves were empty because the allotted money for that area had run out. You have abundant drugs of any kind if you are sick. Try to picture your only choice being the Black Market at ten times the cost.

    There is a reason why most Europeans have bad teeth; it is the result of socialized medicine. I had root canal as a teenager without anesthesia, blood spilling everywhere, screams of pain, while the doctor is spitting in my mouth talking to the nurse. After a few months of such torture, the tooth was pulled anyway. It is true, it did not cost me anything, but I got nothing but a lot of torture and pain.

    Americans foolishly criticize doctors as greedy although they spend ten or more years in school and six figures in tuition. How many doctors do you think will go into medicine if our government can now tell them how much they can earn and where they must practice medicine? Who is willing to invest the time and money when their salaries are going to equal those of a teacher who spends only $25,000 and four years in college?

    Do you want to be treated by a mediocre medical student or the top of the class? Do you want to be treated by someone who graduated from a medical school in a third world country and got a work visa? There is a reason why doctors from third world nations cannot practice medicine in the U.S. right now unless they go to med school two more years and pass a licensing board – they are not trained properly by American medical standards. It is a known fact that those who can afford private treatment will come to the U.S. instead of accepting the free medical care in their countries. The wait alone and the denial of services kill many people.

    We have passed Obamacare in the dead of night, during the holidays, twisting arms, making back room deals, using obscene bribery, without lawmakers reading and debating such an important piece of legislation that affects one fifth of our economy, and now, we are finding out how disastrous it will be for our nation. It is so long and convoluted, it includes a 15-member board charged with rationing of care and many unrelated items such as taxes on sales of homes. It is not about healthcare, it is about total government control of the population.

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/36910
     
  3. Wesley Lewt

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    Karl Marx was german. It just gets worse from there.

    Fail.
     
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    To Wesley Lewt: Marx’s family were Germans living in Prussia. What’s your point?

    And what the hell does “Fail.” mean? Are you a teacher marking papers?
     
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    Prussia is in germany. Neither germany nor prussia are in Russia. Hence you obviously know nothing about the topic.

    Fail means I laugh at your ignorance :p
     
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    To Wesley Lewt: Dr. Paugh made a mistake. Contact her for a clarification if you are not satisfied.

    And attacking me based on one mistake written by somebody else is the best you can do in defense of Karl Marx and communism you are in over your head.
     
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    Rather than start a new thread, I am adding the link to Kelly O'Connell’s fabulous piece to this thread.

    Karl Marx commanded no armies; held no government position; was a brutal parasite with filthy personal habits, yet his evil exceeds the combined evil done by every twentieth century dictator. To this day, in spite of all the evil Karl Marx unleashed on the world, Socialists/Communists swoon when they hear his name. Worse than that, they are fanatical about inflicting Marx’s religion on the world.

    Anybody who interested in learning the truth should read the article about the most disgusting human being to come along in recent centuries:


    Socialism’s God—Karl Marx: Was He Stupid, Insane…or Possessed?
    Kelly O'Connell Sunday, August 7, 2011

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/39223
     
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    Prussia was once the dominant german state. However, Prussia no longer exists, as its former territory lies in present-day Poland. My grandfathers father in fact served in the Prussian infantry before the first world war. My family still has an iron cross and the field binoculars.

    Prussia was once a great european political power, with many impressive buildings and monuments. Königsberg was a center of learning and culture. The Nazis frequently alluded to the former glory of the prussian state, and conducted propoganda tours into the Tutonic castles. Stalin later destroyed all traces of the former german presence.
     
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    I went and looked at maps of Germany in 1850. For me, it was confusing enough to make the point irrelevant and it is amazingly pedantic in any case.

    Karl Marx was a bum. His theories appeal to fools.

    The left has some amazingly flawed heros. Che Guevera? Stalin? Lenin? Beria?
     
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    Marx was a Jew,just like all the top commissars were Jews...his name was Mordechai Levy
    Lazar Kagonovich "butcher of Ukraine"....JEW
    Genrich Yagoda "NKVD"..murderer extraordinaire .....JEW
    Moses Hess..JEW,
    Trotsky....(Lev Bronstein)...JEW
    V. Lenin (Ulyanov)...only a 1/4 JEW
    Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld)..JEW
    Gregorgy Zinoveiv (Afelbaum)...JEW
    Alexander Pavrus..(Israel Gelfand)..JEW....list goes on and on and on



    "Marx is a Jew and is surrounded by a crowd of little, more or less intelligent, scheming, agile, speculating Jews, just as Jews are everywhere, commercial and banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades; in short, literary brokers, just as they are financial brokers, with one foot in the bank and the other in the socialist movement, and their arses sitting upon the German press. They have grabbed hold of all newspapers, and you can imagine what a nauseating literature is the outcome of it.
    Now this entire Jewish world...Bakunyin, Mikhyl: 19th century Russian revolutionary


    Robert Wilton, a long time Russia correspondent for the London Times, said in his book The Last Days of the Romanovs "According to the data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State . .
    457 JEWS

    17 Russians
    2 Hungarians
    11 Armenians
    35 Lets
    10 Georgians
    2 Poles
    2 Finns
    1 Kariam

    :

    "Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as common enemies" JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA



    The American Hebrew September 10, 1920 "The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world."



    "In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish efforts rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide revolutionary conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. WINSTON CHURCHILL



    It would seem that not only was Lenin a Jew, but that he was a Jewish racist and chauvinist, although he kept his ideas on this volatile subject far in the background, probably because they were in radical conflict with the supposed universalism of Marxism... Lenin was a Jewish racist who deliberately gave Jews especially, the most 'intellectually demanding tasks.' He admitted that 50% of the communist terrorist vanguard in the south and west of Russia was comprised of Jews." WAYNE McGUIRE ..HARVARD UNIVERSITY

    David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."

    "Fifty percent of Soviet government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type, many of whom are anarchists." US State Department Report, Foreign Relations, 1918, Russia, Vol. 11, p. 240
     
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    Have you nothing better to do than personally attack a man who is long dead? A man who stood for the workers and against labour exploitation?
     
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    Jesus Christ catches it all the time. Good argument though.
     
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    you could find modern equivalents in any country even the US...in canada we have a PM who has never had a real job, his work history total was of a brief posting in the mailroom of a company his father worked for...after that is was various political appointments sponsorship/handouts from right-wing organizations...
     

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