Hitler is not evil. Part 2.

The other thread reached it's limit.

I thought I would start it again because it was such a controversial topic.

 

Well, for me. Adolph Hitler was no more evil than any other evil dictator throughout history. If anything, the Nazis perfected killing by literally killing in to a machine, and people knew that. Even the communists who killed more than the Nazis ever did.

Anyway, if you break down what Hitler tried to do. You also would have to break down how the Soviet Union started in Russia. The Jewish Bolsheviks had a revolution with the czar of Russia. The Germans knew this, and took advantage of it. They formed a political party around the Ayran race to counter-balance the Jewish Bolshevik Movement.

Now, if you are at war. All the rules are thrown out the window. Hitler knew killing off millions of people would eventually be bad for him. But it would literally be too expensive to ship millions of Jews to the Island of Madagascar. Which was one of his plan. So he did what anybody would do when all the rules of war are thrown out. He killed them all to save money.

 

Now, after war is over and all is said an done. If the Nazi ideology stayed. It would totally be different than communism, because Nazism doesn't give you a chance to side with the status-quo like communism does. At least communism allows people to become followers even if they aren't Aryans. You will never be free under communism. But at least they won't kill you if you aren't Aryan and if you follow orders. This is why Nazism had to be stopped to save the world, and people knew it too.

 

Hitler's main downfall was the fact he was a poor military tactician. If he had invaded England in 1940 when he had pushed the English back to Dunkirk, and if he had taken his Generals advice on the invasion of Russia, he would have won the war.

 

it is difficult to measure who is most evil than who. But certainly Hitelr is one prominant figure of evilness! Other icons like Saddam, Stalin, Pol Pot, Sharon are no less evil

 

Huhmmm, a guy who is the leader of a republic democratic society is evil to you? Ariel Sharon?

 

is there any relation between evilness and not leading a democratic society?

Ariel Sharon, was a murderer, responsible for atrocities and war crimes and massacres

 

This tread is pathetic if you think Hitler was not evil then you must either be retarded or have suffered a stroke.

 

So, do you support Serbs killing Muslims in Bosnia?

 

Don't forget about Bush, Obama, Papa Bush, Madeleine Albright, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, etc.

 

Hitler was not evil, as insanity is a mental defect. The wealthy industrialists of Germany, who recognized this mad man and set him up with financing to further their own ends, are the true evil ones. But ultimately, it is God himself who is evil, for allowing those that he made a covenant with, to be slaughtered.

 

According to official agenda, Germans claimed themselves as superior to others nation and decided to invade others, enslaving them and killing them. Germans created death camps, where prisoners were sent to work to death or just to be killed. They were making mattresses, filled with Jewish hairs, gloves from their skin and soap from their bones.

But there are strange, contradictory facts.

1. If Germans thought that they are superior to the others, why then Bulgarians, Romanians, Italians and even Asian Japaneses were Germany's allies? They are statistically more darker then Russian people, for example, not speaking about Japanese.

2. If there are 6 million Jews have died, why then in many countries it's considered a crime, if you want to investigate that, called as "Holocaust denial crime"? There are also a Holocaust museum in almost every US city, like NYC, Washington DC, Dallas, San Francisco... And Russia lost 27 million people, we don't see anything like that, like outlawing and hunting down the people, who denies that and there are no museums, except in Russia.

3. I've seen a movie called "The Truth Behind The Gates Of Auschwitz" by David Cole. He is Jewish and decided to investigate the fact of killings. He went there and while taking the interviews he finds out that so called "gas chambers" were build after the liberation. I have also a friend, who went to Auschwitz and claims that they don't look as gas chambers. Also he finds swimming pool, football field and interest(chatting) room. He states that Cyclon B was used as anti-flea agent for clothes and furnaces were used only for cremating the dead bodies.
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4. If Germans were making gloves, soap and mattresses from human bodies, who will use this products? Would you wear this kind of gloves, wash with this kind of soap and sleep on this kind of mattress? It's sounds totally insane. I wonder if they will start calming that Germans were cannibals!

I personally came to conclusion that Hitler was targeting only the world Zionism. Hitler hated Stock exchanges, banks and communism - all predominantly Jewish dominated fields. Stock exchanges and banks are definitely parasitic and none-productive parts of the economy.

Stock exchange lures you with free and easy money, but most people are loosing them. As we see they are getting huge bonuses and huge salaries. Where are they coming from?

Banks enslaving people with loans. Loan inflates the price(due to the increase of affordability) and because price is inflated people have to take a loan. It's a self-supporting, enslaving system. It simply make which is already expensive more expensive and makes you take a loan. Banks are obviously interested in that, because if things are not expensive, then people will not take loans.

There is a good movie about that - The Money Masters:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#


And we all know what means the communism. Most people, due to the propaganda think that Communism was Russian. Russia was in fact a victim of communism. Ideas of Communism were born in Gemany, Jew Karl Marx was the major mastermind. As a result, the czar Romanov's family was executed, Russia had a bloody civil war, were millions died, intelligence had either to flee, shot or sent to places like Gulag. And people got enslaved by the government.
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So, on my opinion Hitler had right ideas, but implemented them on a devastating way. I wish he would do it right, none-militaristic way, without loss of lives millions, where the overwhelming majority were in fact none-Jews.

 

Bu...wha...huh?

Ignorance of History is no excuse. Don't make a thread like this if you don't no jack. For starters, only something like a 1/10 of Bolsheviks were Jewish. The Bolsheviks were a splinter group from the original Marxist Party (the RSDLP). Secondly, "the communists" did not kill more people than Hitler. Stalin did. Stalin crushed the Communist ideal of a classless society under the heel of terror. Don't ever equate Communism and Stalinism unless you are trying to sound as ignorant as possible.

Now, you insinuate that Hitler did not have an active hand in the anti-Semitic policies of the National Socialist Party. Incorrect. Hitler made the Nazi's. Without his eloquent speaking abilities and highly structured organization, they would have been just another radical party in a time of intense chaos. What is more disturbing, is the way you have sanitized the mass murder of tens of millions of handicapped people, communists, homosexuals, political enemies, Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and anyone else targeted by the Nazi government. Hitler did not "do what anyone else would do when the rules of war were thrown out." He tried to exterminate entire ethnicities.

If I ever see a post as blatantly historically-revisionist again, I will report rather than bother replying.

 

Hitler isn't evil because evil doesn't exist. It is purely relative. That being said, Hitler was one the biggest freakin' asses of the 20th century.

 

hitler is indeed not evil, he created one of the most fantastic contraption and lead in the research of humane executions, and he extracted the impure from the majority of the land he occupied. it was a shame he had to die the way he did.

 

If the jews didnt die where did they go?

And I remeber being teached in history that most camps were burnt down because of diseases and rebuilt for historical purposes.

 

I think that he did evil acts -- any time you kill civillians deliberately, you cross the line from war to evil.

But, one of the things to keep in mind is that the man himself was using heroin and was probably mentally ill to boot. I think that does put a differnt spin on the whole question. i don't think a mentally ill person can be evil.

 

There can be no doubt that acts of genocide took place before the Adolf Hitler's extermination of the population of Europe, that acts of genocide have happened since, or that acts of genocide will happen again in the future. We should not judge the morality of an action on its rarity, however all such acts should be condemned for their flagrant disregard for the rights and freedoms of their victims.

To put recent events in Afghanistan and Iraq in the same bracket as the holocaust is frankly absurd. The Nazi regime carried out a refined and systematic extermination of various groups among the population, motivated by hatred and designed to remove them from the face of the Earth.The conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan have caused civilian casualties, and have damaged infrastructure; but they were initiated in order to bring democracy and rights to the people.

 

Concentration camps, suicided his family? Dude was evil...

 

You cant suicide other people.

 

this is ridiculous, someone may be mentaly afflicted but that doesn't stop the muder of millions of innocent people from being evil, and someone who commits evil is evil. The idea of the killing being in someway an act of war is ridiculous, it was going on seperate from the war and gave no tactical advantge. There can be no justification for the muder of innocents EVER.

 

Evil is a mindset. Hitler was probably mentally incapable of any mindset. The rash change in his behavior and skills after 1939 suggests something pivotal happened possibly with his mental ability. You don't go from being a revolutionary historical leader to a power craven genocidal dictator in a years time....

Who can say for sure that Hitler wasn't a puppet in the hands of someone behind him. Heinrich Himler for example hated the jews and made no excuse for his aggression and methods.

I think this topic deserves more debate (with facts) than the simple dismissal because of a preordained sterotype given to you since childhood. It's taboo to think Hitler wasn't evil, but is that really a valid answer to a debate? No it isn't.

 

The thread title contradicts the thread premise.

"Hitler is as evil as every other murdering dictator..." (paraphrased)

The two ideas can't be reconciled.

 

The act was evil. no one sane is denying that, but I think that you do have to take into account the mental state of the person committing the evil. And the guy himself was a nutter on Opiates, which may have pushed him towards a final solution rather than something less drastic. The man didn't get what he deserved, because he took his own life before we could try and execute him and show the world how nuts he was. But I don't think you can ignore a person's mental state at the time.

If a person kills his mother because a voice tells him to, it's different than a guy who kills for insurance money. Mental Illness is a disease, and it isn't always possible for a person suffering from a mental illness to distinguish between fact and fantasy or know that something they are doing is evil. I don't think a mentally ill person should be let back on the streets until the the crime has been paid for in jail time, but I think it's makes a difference.

The other thing to think about is that if you make Hitler nothing but a monster it makes it easier to have the same thing happen again because it gives the false sense that Hitler was somehow a nonhuman and that no one else could do such things. None of that is true. I think it's likely that there will be a hitler in the 21st century who will do similar things, and he won't have three heads that spin around. I think the most important lesson of the World Wars is that no matter how civilized we think we are, we could be utter barbarians if someone convinces us that it's in our vital national interest.

 

People are worth more than paper. It does not justify genocide. Hitler WAS evil, as are most dictators, but he was completely crazy. Stalin was, too, but without him, I am unsure if we would have ever prevented the spread of Nazi Germany.

P.S. Communism is not slavery.