Obama issues Dream Act (Amnesty) by executive order... press ignores!

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  1. yes/no

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    "On Friday, the Obama administration issued a memo announcing that federal immigration officials do not have to deport illegal aliens if they are enrolled in any type of education program, if their family members have volunteered for U.S. military service, or even if they are pregnant or nursing.

    This new policy of “prosecutorial discretion” was quietly announced on Friday afternoon, and completely ignored by the mainstream press."

    http://www.examiner.com/immigration...es-dream-act-by-executive-order-press-ignores


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  2. Defengar

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    what exactly is wrong with this?
     
  3. Revere

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    The fourth estate has a duty to report on the President's lawlessness.

    Otherwise, there is no First Amendment.
     
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    keymanjim New Member Past Donor

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    If you have to ask then you're part of the problem.
     
  5. Defengar

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    Some parts of it are not right i agree, like the prego women part. But if someone is in college here they should get to stay (until they are done) and if they are in the military their immediate family should definitely be granted green cards.
     
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    keymanjim New Member Past Donor

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    College shouldn't be an anchor. Being related to a service member should be limited to spouse and children. But, I doubt it will have such a limited usage.
    Active duty military service should always be a fast track to citizenship.
     
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    The old school mainstream media has no more credibility.... and the Liberals wonder why Fox News does so very well.
     
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    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a wonderful plan! Thanks President Obama! Can't wait 'till I can vote for this guy again!
     
  9. Defengar

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    I agree with you at least on the military bit. Ive always thought america should have a system in place similar to what the romans had (until the empires management went to hell).
    They had a system where there was partial citizenship and full citizenship. If you were a non citizen you could join the Auxiliary (only full citizens could be in the legions) and you were instantly granted partial citizenship which granted you many rights including the ability to vote. Once you had served a full term in the auxiliary you were granted full citizenship, full citizenship rights, and your immediate family (parents, siblings, children, spouse) were all granted partial citizenship. Further military service in the auxiliary or the legion would get your immediate family full citizenship depending on your actions/time inside. It was a great system and was one of the reasons Romes military was so large, diverse, and strong for several hundred years. Usually the Legionaries numbered around 400k while Auxiliary forces numbered over two million on average. An incredible number given world population back then.

    America would be much stronger imo with a system like this.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    What better cover than to shift the focus to Afghanistan. He's on...
     
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    Just one more reason why this anti-American presidential jerk should be impeached forthwith. Why in the hell should we tolerate illegal aliens being in our nation at all? And why in the hell should we tolerate illegal aliens enrolling in our nation's schools? And why in the hell should these illegal aliens be entitled to getting in-state tuition at any college or university anywhere in our nation? Obama needs to be run out of the White House on a rail for this, and for the wanton, flagrant violation of the War Powers Act with his illegal, unconstitutional action in Libya.

    Is there not one person left in Congress with any integrity or honor at all? If so, why is Obama not facing impeachment right now?!
     
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    Yes. Because our borders and culture have no place in today's world, nor does our constitution. We are world citizens now.... AMIRITE?
     
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    The immigration courts are already hopelessly backlogged. The backlog is up to 18 months now. Adding more people into the backlog per year doesn't increase the number of people deported, it just increases the detention costs. So, it certainly makes sense to focus on deporting the most important targets first.

    Regardless, ICE has always had discretion and has never focused enforcement on groups like students. So, the announcement isn't an actual change of policy or anything, it's just political IMO. ICE has been focused first and foremost on people who get in trouble with the law for decades.
     
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    They came in the night to deal with the mexicans... don't cry when they come in the night to deal with the blacks.

    This is unacceptable. Forget debating individual portions of the order. The entire deal is totally unacceptable if it is what it seems to be.
     
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    Er, what are you saying? You're arguing in favor of "them" coming in the night to take Mexicans from their homes, right? It sounds like you're making an argument against yourself?

    I explained why they need to prioritize. That's what the order does... If you don't have any arguments against it, not really sure why you would still oppose it...
     
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    Sorry Teamosil,

    They only have to prioritize because we allowed them to convolute and slow the process to a snails pace. It should be fast and simple.

    1. Are you a U.S. Citizen?

    NO - EXPORT YOU
    YES - Proof and you stay.

    All of this "backlogged court B.S." is by design and not necessary.
     
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    my post is my signature below........
     
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  18. teamosil

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    That sure would be the way to do it if magic were real... But it isn't... A court needs to figure out what is true and what is not. Say the person claims they were born in Arizona? Maybe they have a witness that confirms it. What do you do? Just take them at their word? No, you need to find competing witnesses that testify that they were born outside the US. Or, say that they previously had a work visa that expired, but they insist that their employer submitted the paperwork to extend it in time? Or say that they claim that they were born outside the US, but that one of their parents was a citizen. Etc. It's a trial like any other trial and people accused of not having a right to be here have the same rights and whatnot as people accused of murdering somebody or whatever.
     
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    When is our derelict government going to do its job and secure our southern border? Nothing else matters until that happens.
     
  20. teamosil

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    Define securing the southern border. We currently spend $40 billion/year on immigration enforcement. Would you consider spending $80 billion/year to be "secure"? $120 billion? $300 billion? What are we talking about here?

    Obviously there will never be zero illegal immigration no matter what happens. The last three years in a row the total number of undocumented immigrants in the country has fallen. Meaning more undocumented immigrants are leaving each year than are making it in. We've been deporting record numbers of people. We've completed the wall in all the areas that DHS claims it would be useful. Border patrol reports that the lowest number of people appear to be crossing the border illegally in modern times...

    So what exactly is the line where you would consider the "securing the border" objective to be met? Or is it just a line the right uses that has no actual meaning?
     
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    Most likely because the mainstream press is focused on covering conservative complaints that Obama's birth certificate has been allegedly doctored.
     
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    Obama has got to go.

    I was pretty neutral towards the beginning of Obama's term, but he just keeps (*)(*)(*)(*)ing up. It's amazing. He doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about what the majority thinks or wants, he's like a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dictator.

    Libya, O-care discrepencies, OBL assasination, supporting the assasination of U.S. citizens, his minion Holder and all his B.S.... What a joke!

    What was that slogan I heard so much during Bush's terms? "If you're not angry, you're not paying attention".
    **** 2012!


    Pay attention lefties.

    I'm getting off my ass come 2012, I'm actually getting involved this time around. I'm more than willing to spend personal time to help campaign.
     
  23. Ethereal

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    A security fence. Works great for the Israelis.

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    I'm not exactly sure. Do you have a realistic estimate of how much a security fence would cost to construct and maintain? And how much money does it cost us per year to service the various needs of illegal immigrants?

    The goal is not perfection, but as close to perfection as is realistically possible.

    Because we're in the midst of a severe recession.

    Proof?

    Proof?

    Proof?

    Proof?

    When thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants are no longer capable of crossing our border at will.

    Huh?
     
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    Wait. In the military? Don't they have to have a birth certificate to get in the military?
     
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    Suppose the next president, a Republican issues an executive order to not prosecute any hate crimes against Gays? Or to prosecute for murder, abortion doctors and their patients? Would that be OK with you?
     

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