Future of America & poor minorities

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  1. Anders Hoveland

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    America is being overrun by poor non-whites from other countries.

    Having a large number of impoverished people of different races living in your country cannot be a good thing. It will result in several problems, some subtle, some unforeseeable to policy makers at the present time.

    Some generalizations can be made, however. Taxes will be higher to pay for the large number of people there will be who do not have the money to take care of themselves. Everything will be more crowded: schools, hospitals, government buildings, roads, airports, parks, and even housing. Although there is plenty of land in the USA, there is a much more limited area of land that is within commuting distance of the centers of economic activity where decent jobs can be found. As a result of poor immigrants overcroding into the cities, the price of housing has become more and more unaffordable to many americans. There will be fewer decent jobs. Wages and working conditions will deteriorate as employers find they can hire the desperate poor to work harder for less. Already many formerly decent-paying occupations have become jobs that "americans are not will to do". Especially in the more populated regions, janitors, furniture crafters, and even construction workers are unnable to afford to even rent a house, and thus the lower-skilled workers are fleeing these areas as they are bing replaced by cheap immigrant/minority labor. Children and young adults will be expected to be more educated, as decent paying jobs become more scarce and the educational qualifications increase. Even the lower paying skilled manual jobs such as electricians, plumbers, mechanics are increasingly requiring university degrees in addition to apprenticeships. Even the high level managerial jobs will be more competitive as all the whites will be displaced from the lower level jobs. As white people will become a minority themselves, affirmative action policies will dictate quotas for minority-held managerial positions. Using South Africa as an example, we can expect that 69% of the jobs at all levels of management will have to go to non-whites. White people are already outnumbered in the most populated state in the USA (California).

    Good schools, university, and medical care will become more expensive, as there become fewer school districts that are not overburdened with poor minorities. It will cost more to educate and treat the minority children in the emergency rooms than their low-income parents pay in taxes. Homes in good school districts will become ever more expensive. All forms of government financial assistance will decrease as the poor minorities overburden public services. In the future, social security and medicaid will be paying for all the aging children the illegals have been having. Crime will increase. Not only will the children of the immigrants commit crime, but there presence will also cause people of other races (especially black) to have less money, leading to a secondary effect of more crime. There will be more murders and rapes. Businesses will hire more security guards, people will put up high fences around their houses, and there will be more cameras. All of this will be expensive and will make cities less pleasant places to be in with everything fenced off and all those cameras watching you. Taxes will be higher to pay for incarcarating more people, and the prisons will be overcrowded and noisy, jammed full of hispanics and blacks, even more unpleasant if for some reason you or your future children make a mistake and find themselves serving a prison term.

    Changing Attitudes about Government Provided Services/Assistance
    There will be a serious discussion about public provided services. With all the racial diversity and poverty, the taxpayers with more money will be more reluctant to pool their money into public schools, public health systems, government retirement schemes, and welfare. More services will become privitized as taxpayers will not want to pay for the masses of poor minorities. This will make things very difficult for poor whites, or those with serious medical conditions. The minorities and liberals will demand that the government treat everyone equally without regard to race. So wealthy whites will have to choose between giving aid to a bunch of minorities to help a much smaller group of needy whites, or simply refusing to subsidize any assistance to the poor. Likely, taxes to fund welfare will increase, while at the same time, contrastingly, welfare benefits per person will decrease, since there will be so many poor people. Because society will be even less homogenous, people will care less about others, and will be less willing to provide help to their fellow citizens in need.

    Bringing in large numbers of impoverished people into your country cannot be good thing. White people have been trying to flee from the areas that have been overrun by minorities, but there are fewer and fewer places left to flee to. All of these minorities that have been let into the USA have had many children, and these children will have even more children. Because of all the minority voters, the whites will be unable to get their government to deal with the increasing problems. The aspirations and policies of the federal government will be increasingly detatched from the desires of middle class white voters. Open discussion of racial differences will be increasingly difficult, or even unlawful (labled "hate speech"), as it has become in several other countries. The minority-dominated government will find ways of bypassing the first ammedment. Already the freedom of speech has been limited in public schools, and college professors are fired for unfavorable discussion about race, even outside their classrooms.

    When your children sit in classrooms, there will likely be only a small number of other students of the same race. It will be harder for your children to find boyfriends/girlfriends. Because everyone will look so different from eachother, this will likely cause much depression. It can be depressing to be surrounded by, and to have to look at, people who are percieved as 'unattractive' (from a different ethnicity) all the time. Many minorities themselves will be depressed because they will look different from everyone else. In Sweden for example, ethnic swedish girls in minority neigborhoods suffer higher rates of depression. There is even the phenomena of these blond-haired girls dying their hair black so they will not be bullied by the muslim children! I strongly believe the different races would be much happier living separately from eachother.
    Better even that the whites be forced to give their wealth to poor of other races, than to have racial integration forced upon them!
     
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    Do you not see everything through the lens of race?
     
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    And people want to know why the US is upside down.
     
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    "Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free, nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu (by an equal progress) filled up by free white laborers."
    Thomas Jefferson

    The first part of the quote is actually prominently inscribed at the Jefferson monument in Washington D.C.
    Of course, they found it more convenient to omit the rest of the quote after the first comma.
     
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    The truth is not that Americans are unwilling to work in these jobs, but that Americans are unwilling to work for the rock bottom wages impoverished minorities are willing to work for.
    Some economists say that more people will mean more jobs. But look at the poor immigrants living in your country. They do not have the money to create jobs. Most of the jobs they do create will be low paying jobs in the service sector, which will be filled by more immigrants. Who is going to take care of them all when they get older? American hospitals will need skilled health care workers willing to work for low wages. Where will they find people willing to go through long training programs and get medical degrees to work for low pay? They will bring in more doctors from India and nurses from the Philippines. These are the types of “jobs” that will be created. No, the more people, the more competition for scarce jobs, which will just drive down wages.

    And what about all the children the illegals are having? Will they also only be taking the jobs Americans are “unwilling” to do? Or will they demand “affirmative action” policies? Their numbers are rapidly increasing. If, as in the case of California, 51% of the population will be Hispanic, does that mean 51% of the jobs, at all levels of a company, will have to go to Hispanics, because of affirmative action policies? (51% of California students are Hispanic, not even counting other minorities. These students are the future adults.) If you want to see what the future holds, look at the affirmative action policies in South Africa; there is a reason all the whites are fleeing.

    What about educating the illegal's children? Consider this: it costs more money to educate two children every year than someone working a minimum wage job actually earns! It is very typical for Hispanic families to have five children. Even if all the illegals paid taxes (a large portion of them do not), it would still not cover the cost of educating their children, let alone all the other burdens they place on society, such as law enforcement.

    Why is society creating more problems by bringing in more immigrants, when most of our young adults cannot even afford to move out of their parents house? I say the USA should solve its own problems before it brings in more! The upper class in Mexico has plenty of money, but Mexico does not want to help its own people. Why should Americans take care of all the poor that the Mexican government is unwilling to take care of?

    Our multiracial society has enough racial tension as it is. Making it even more multiracial will just create more conflict.
     
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    I have asked the questions you asked many times to politicians and pro-immigration groups. I have stood on the steps of the capital of Texas a few times to demand simple answerers or solutions. To this day pro-immigration groups still claim that illegal immigrants "don't" take jobs away from Americans.


    Here is a simple question. The current population in the US now is about 311 million. Its projected to be over 400 million in 2050. If we can't employ the 14 million out of work today what happens in the future.
     
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    Go to the places where non-white minorities have not yet reached.
    Who is bagging the groceries and washing the cars in the car wash?
    Surprise, white people are doing it! So how can you say that these are jobs white people are not willing to do?

    I think what we should really be examining is why so many whites are leaving California.
    California is expensive because it is being crowded with too many people. Where are these people coming from? Hint: the white population in the state is in decline.
     
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    Yeah, and even in states like Texas you see white folks cleaning bathrooms,and busting table all the time.

    The BS about illegals doing jobs Americans (white) won't do is nothing more than a pro-immigration propaganda stunt.
     
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    Thing is, Bush was in office for 8 years and didn't do dick about illegal immigration. Actually, he wanted to legalize many but thankfully got shot down. This is why politics suck! Politicians do what they can for votes. That's about it. Republicans want to keep illegals for corps that can hire them for dirt and dems want to keep them for votes. It's a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke. They are illegal for a reason. When anyone mentions illegals, people automatically think of mexicans, but illegals can come from anywhere, taliban especially. That's why its a joke. We need to overhaul our own govt first I think.
     
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    California has a very high youth unemployment rate. By some estimates, only 52% of young adults (who are not in college) between the ages of 18-26 are employed. Around 36% of adults between the ages of 24 to 32 are still living with their parents. The percentage is even higher if only looking at the southern third of California.

    The entry level jobs typically filled by young adults has been taken by illegal immigrants. I have visited both southern California and Canada, so let my make some observations/comparisons. In most parts of Canada the construction workers are mostly white (there are a few blacks also). Having asked around, typical wages are about 24 dollars per hour, not high paying but definitely decent, especially considering the much lower cost of housing.
    Young female adults (pleasant sight to look at with their blonde hair :mrgreen: ) are hired to hold the road signs directing traffic. One of them told me she got about 12 dollars per hour, but was just working part time. She had just graduated from school.

    In southern California, I was unable to ask any of workers how much they earned, since they did not speak english well enough to understand what I was asking. I did, however, get the phone number of a construction company, who told me they paid their laborers minimum wage. I asked how much they paid their skilled workers, and the voice on the other side of the phone hesitantly replied that they were all laborers, but that two of the senior workers on the job earned 14 dollars per hour. The voice on the phone had a heavy hispanic accent. Not being content the investigation, I did manage to find a white man who appeared to be a carpenter outside an expensive-looking house; he said he charges about 100 dollars per job, which usually takes 2 to 3 hours, but said that recently it has been hard to find consistent work. Let me also add that I would much rather work in outside on the roads in Canada. The air is fresh and there are plenty of trees and open space, whereas in southern California the streets are clogged with more cars than you can imagine and it must be dangerous for the construction workers with so many cars. I would also think that all the cars/smog/pollution on the side of the road would potentially cause lung problems. Yes, there is frequent rain in Canada, but it would be even harder to work in the hot sun all day in southern California (they were working in 33 degree,over 90 degF, weather!)
    The hispanic workers in California also appear older than the more youthful looking workers in Canada. Whereas most of the store cashiers in Canada are young adults, most of the entry level job workers in Canda look old enough to have established families.

    Judging by the housing prices, I would say that a family would have to earn at least 110 thousand dollars anually to live a decent middle class life style while making mortgage payments on their overpriced southern californian house. Note to future readers that this post is being made after the "housing bubble burst".
     
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    Let me use an anology. There are a bunch of people crowded into a little boat, so many people that the boat begins sinking into the water and the water starts spilling over the edges of the boat, flooding the bottom. Everyone begins to panic as a little puddle of water starts forming at the bottom of the boat. People start grabbing buckets to scoop the water out, but of course there are not enough buckets for everyone, so the rest of the people begin using little paper cups to scoop out the water as fast as they can.

    Now, there are other boats out on the water too, and many of them have already sunk and the passengers are drowning. The people on the sinking boat spot all the people swimming for their lives in the water, and someone gets an idea. Why not let some of the people in the water onto their boat so they can help scoop water out of the boat? So the people on the boat reach out and begin pulling some of the people out in the water onto the boat. Unfortunately, the boat begins sinking faster, and water pours over the sides, the water filling up faster than the people can frantically scoop it out. Something urgently must be done, so the boat takes on even more people. The boat begins sinking even faster.

    Of course, more people will weigh down the boat, meaning water will spill over the sides faster than those people can scoop it out with their little plastic cups. In this anology, the big buckets are like the good paying jobs that there are not enough of, and the little paper cups are all the extremely low-paying jobs that the immigrants are taking.
     
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    Of course, it will not matter one bit what we think if too many illegals are allowed into the USA. Between the multicultural liberals and all the hispanic voters, it will become political suicide for any politician to do anything about illegal immigration.

    As more and more hispanics are allowed to enter the USA, opponents of illegal immigration will have to fight harder and harder trying to stem the tide... until finally it will be too late.

    From the Pew Research Center:
    "If current trends continue, the population of the United States will rise to 438 million in 2050, from 296 million in 2005, and 82% of the increase will be due to immigrants arriving from 2005 to 2050 and their U.S.-born descendants."

    In other words, 142 million immigrants and their children will be added to the American population! That is 48% of the number of people already living in the USA! White people will no doubt become a minority themselves.

    Honestly, what sort of policies do you think all these poor immigrants and their children are going to support and vote for? More taxes, socialization of hospitals, more money for all those struggling public schools in poor districts.

    I will say it again: 51% of the students in California now are hispanic!
    Now consider that California has a population 37 million people. It will be far easier for immigrants and their children to overrun less populated states like Idaho (only 1.5 million people) or Georgia (9.8 million).

    Indeed, the state of California actually has a bigger population than Canada!
    In 2006 the population of California was 36,457,549
    In 2007 the population of Canada was 33,390,141

    Non-hispanic whites make up only 45.3% of the population in Texas, which has over 25 million people. Another interesting observation for those that think Texas is "better" than California: California has 12 million more people than Texas, yet Texas actually has half a million MORE people on Food Stamps!
    California: 37,624,000 people. 3,795,000 on Food stamps
    Texas: 25,661,000 people. 4,314,000 on Food stamps

    So if they can take over California and Texas, imagine how easily they will overrun all the other nearby states! If you are not worried yet, take a look at the population graph of the different states:
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/US_Population.GIF

    There are more people in California and Texas than there are in half of the other states combined!
     
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    The solution I have heard hinted at lately is that the American worker makes too much money...NO...the problem is that workers in other countries don't make enough.


    We don't need to lower our standards...others need to raise theirs.

    We need a worldwide minimum wage that forces large companies to pay workers a decent living wage. Americans need to refuse products made by workers that work for slave wages.

    Other countries could join in also...Europe, Canada, Great Britian...etc.

    Mexicans are leaving Alabama....shot the heck out of the goat market.
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - ever'thin' goin' to hell inna handbasket...
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    73 percent of Americans say country headed in wrong direction
    8/10/11 - Almost three-quarters of Americans say the United States is on the wrong track, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found Wednesday.
     
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    Granny says, "Good idea...
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    82% of Americans Want Congress to Take a Pay Cut Until Budget is Balanced
    Thursday, August 11, 2011 - Americans overwhelmingly believe that members of Congress should take pay cuts until there is a balanced federal budget, according to a new Rasmussen Poll. A slight plurality also thinks that the president should take a 50 percent pay cut -- and the survey found that voters believe that neither the president nor Congress should receive federal pensions after leaving office.
     
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    Please, they should get paid at most 50,000 dollars a year and I'm being generous. They should have all of their post term served years benefits erased. They shouldn't be guaranteed a dime after they leave office. Presidents are slightly different, though they get so much money after they leave office from book deals and speaking arrangements that they shouldn't get much more than secret service after they are done. I guarantee if a Senator only made 40 grand a year, you might actually get people in there that want to be there. Less focus would be on reelection and maybe they'd actually do their job.
     
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    It isn't so much the immigrants as the fact that our poor people refuse to do backbreaking labor for low wages when they can simply walk down to the Government office and apply for benefits. I would say in this respect, the immigrants are more honorable.

    People aren't lifted out of poverty, they are driven out of it by the lash.
     
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    What your saying has much truth to it. The whole ideal about free trade was that it would be a global labor market.Meaning that every country that participated would pay close to the same wage. This was a big debate during the NAFTA debate. But what happened was other country's like China and Asia didn't comply. Ross Perot said this very situation would happen.
     
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    I will agree that there are lazy people who sponge off the system. But who's fault is that? The government should do a better job screening people who get those free hand outs.

    Immigrants were brought in to the US at the beginning to do crop work (picking apples etc).Today there doing high tech jobs.like working at aircraft maintenance facilities,installing high tech electrical components (ICE raided a high tech transformer manufacturing plant not long a go)custom cabinetry and the list gos on...Also immigrants have manipulated the system. Once in the USA,they steal SS numbers to gain access to many welfare systems.
     
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    This will likely come as little surprise to many of you, but it may nevertheless be a huge shock to others.

    There are now more hispanic children in the states of California and Texas than there are children (under 18 years old) in the entire country of Canada!

    There are about 4.2 million hispanic children in California.
    There are about 2.8 million hispanic children in Texas.
    There are about 6.9 million children (of ALL races) in Canada.

    This should not come as too much of a surprise since California, because of all the recent immigration, now has more people than Canada. And whites have become a minority in California within the last five years. Only 29% of those under the age of 18 in California are non-hispanic whites.

    Obviously, the deomographics of the children today indicate the demographics of the future, as all the older whites will begin to die off.

    These statistics should be extremely alarming.
     
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    The demographics of America are rapidly changing!
    The future population of America will have very different cultural values, lower educational attainment, lower incomes, and much higher rates of poverty. This will be the future of America:
    http://www.prb.org/pdf09/immigrantchildren.pdf

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    overcrowded prisons in California

    All these pictures were taken in the USA, and things are only going to get worse. Much poverty and violence is hidden out of sight in America's inner cities, virtually ignored by the media.
     
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    Again, all these pictures were taken in the USA. If these pictures have an uncanny resemblance to Mexico, it is because THE USA IS TURNING INTO MEXICO!
    Some of you will not believe that these pictures come from the USA. You need to take a trip to the east side of Los Angeles, or go to Santa Ana, in California. All the store signs are written is spanish and half the people in the overcrowded stores do not even speak english. Plenty of San Diego also looks like this to. One third of the hispanics in California live in poverty. Most of the others do not live much better. And if you think California is bad, even more hispanics live on food stamps in Texas.
     

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