Martin Luther Responsible for the Holocaust

http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm

The writings of Martin Luther seemed to have given Germans the idea that persecuting and murdering Jews was a given right of Christians. His rantings were so very virulent that Hitler and his henchmen were able to use them to their advantage.

It's no wonder that Europeans have become totally secular. Who would want to be part of a religion that is based on the ravings of a madman, as Luther was, especially as he got older and sicker in the head.

Luther was sure that by breaking with Rome, that Jews would have a mass conversion, an event which never transpired, turning Luther further into hatred for the Jewish people. So, if you want to go back and see how Germans justified their treatment of Jews, one has only to read Luther, and find out that Hitler wasn't the first of the famous Jew haters, nor the most powerful. The Vagabond from Vienna had only to use Luther's writings to engage the German people into the worst holocaust that the Jews would have to face.

 

This had been going on long before Martin Luther came along. The Spanish made a real sport of it long before he was born.

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Hitler was a Catholic, dude, and he was against the conversion of Jews to Christianity and therefore he was totally opposed to the ideas of Luther.

In fact, Hitler shared the views of Zionists who claimed that Jews are not a religious group, but a separate race, and he initially supported the Zionist idea about moving Jews from Europe to a "Jewish home", and did their bidding.

The Haavara is the best prove for that.

Are you sure that Europeans have become "totally secular", and that this has something to do with Luther?

In fact many Europeans became Protestants due to Luther, and Jews were only a small and insignificant footnote in Luther's teaching and in medieval European history.

Nobody cared a lot about Jews, there were bigger problems to solve.

Only people who know history from the Jewish dominated Hollywood movies get the impression that European history was all about Jews and their supposed suffering.

There were Christian peasants that suffered more, and Luther cared about these Christians, and that is why many Christians followed him, like my Swabian ancestors.

Today more and more Europeans convert to Islam, your dream about a totally secular Europe is just premature.

BTW, most of Europe is Catholic or Orthodox Christians. What have these Christians to do with Luther, and why should they become secular?

Your arguments are totally crazy, and it seems that you do not know that Luther is not accepted by Catholics and Orthodox Christians.

As already said, Jews were only a small footnote in European history, nobody cared a lot about this tiny minority.

More than 90% of Christians were peasants or serfs, and these Christians hated their Christian oppressors - the Landlords and the Roman Clergy.

The Jews were hated not because of their race, but because they were bankers and bailiffs who helped the Christian nobility to exploit the peasants.

Luther put an end to the dominance of the Roman Clergy, and that was his real achievement.

What to Jews - Luther offered to them the conversion to his version of Christianity, and many Jews accepted his offer.

Other Jews went on defaming Christianity, cursing Christians and spitting on Christian religious symbols... and Luther did not like this, though he never advocated the killing of Jews.

Read his works before discussing them!

As already said, he was a Catholic and he did not care a rat's azz about Luther, and he was strictly against the conversion of Jews to Christianity.

You suffer from a faulty logic and you are eager to defame Christianity.

If somebody does the same with Judaism and calls Moses Maimonides an anti-Goyim madman and a Jewish bigot, you whine and call him an "Ani-Semite"

 

Spanish kings offered to all inhabitants of their kingdom (be they Muslims, Idolaters or Jews) to convert to Catholicism or (*)(*)(*)(*) off.

That was a usual practice then.

Most Idolaters, Muslims and Jews accepted this offer, and their descendants are called today Spaniards.

Many Muslims and Jews did not accept this offer, and they moved to other countries.

But some Jews just faked the conversion to Christianity, and they were persecuted by the Inquisition, like were Idolaters.

As we see, nothing special about Jews, they were not as important in Andalusia, as Zionists believe.

In fact, Jews were kicked out from almost all host nations.

If some guy is kicked out from all pubs in a town, it may be possible that he is not the best guy in the town... even if he himself firmly believes that he is good and the rest of the town is bad.

 

Hitler's parents were Catholic. He attended Catholic School, but was already moving away from the church even as a child. Once he left home, he never went to services again for the rest of his life.

And he was also a big believer in the writings of Georg Ritter von Schönerer.

 

The concept of eugenics was more responsible than anything. Hitler got his ideas of mass extermination from noted eugenicists. You might be surprised at who some of these people were.

(George Bernard) Shaw wrote, “ I appeal to the chemists to discover a humane gas that will kill instantly and painlessly. In short- a gentlemanly gas deadly by all means, but humane, not cruel.”

Interviewed on Germany Shaw declared:
“Germany’s contention of ‘race pollution’ was ‘despicably unscientific.’” But he said he “appreciated” Hitler’s political sagacity and the courage with which he has rescued Germany from the gutter,, and placed her once more at the head of Central Europe.”

Other famous eugenicists:

Charles Darwin
H.G. Wells
Margaret Sanger
Samuel Butler
Plato
Alexander Graham Bell
John D. Rockefeller
Theodore Roosevelt
John H. Kellog

 

Yes, you might be really surprised, but your list is incomplete.

Hitler got his ideas from the Old Testament via the Pilgrims who viewed himselves as "New Hebrews" and "God's chosen people" and the Natives as subhuman "Satanic forces", the Canaanites that should be murdered.

Yes, Hitler loved the tactics of Anglo-Saxon settlers, and these settlers were inspired by the Old Testament.

America was in their eyes the New Israel!

Hitler derived his "Manifest Destiny" from the Anglo-Saxons", and they derived it from the Hebrews!

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/joshua/manifest.html

 

Every fundamentalist religious group views itself as "God's Chosen People". In this no group is unique.

Hitler never claimed such, since the National-Socialist movement was as Athiestic as the Communist movement is. They claimed superiority not through God, but through their being the "Master Race".

 

Wrong, only religious groups that claim that they are a race or a people can believe that they are "chosen".

And that is only the case with Jews and some crazy English Christian sects that believe that they are descendants of Hebrew tribes.

The same with the Zionist movement.

Zionism is also atheistic, but Zionists still believe that they have some "divine right" to expel the native Semites from Palestine and grab their land.

As you see, bigotry is always crazy, you cannot find any logic in it.

 

Ask any Pentacostal group. They are the ones chosen to be brought up during the Rapture.

And the same for Mormons, who have their own new covenant with God.

Tell that to the Rastafarians then. The "New Lions of Zion".

 

This is a very strange claim. Jews were persecuted in Europe long before Luther or Hitler.

 

There are hardly any religious group that was not discriminated during human history.

Hebrews severely discriminated and killed Polytheists, you can read about it in the OT.

Russian Christians were genocided during the Bolshevik rule in Russia.

Today Jews are severely discriminating native Semites in Palestine, and they do not feel any guilt for commiting the Nakba.

But we can hear in the corrupt western Media only about the "Jewish suffering", and that is done to deflect the attention from crimes, that Jewish Zionists are commiting TODAY against non-Jews.

And we all are supposed to feel guilty, be we Atheists, Lutherans or Catholics, and close an eye on the crimes that Jewish Zionists are commiting TODAY against the native Semitic population of Palestine.

 

Hitler didnt want to hurt the Jew in the beginning. He asked them to leave Germany voluntarily and they refused. It was only after they destroyed the German economy that Herr Hitler decided more drastic action was needed. As for mass extermination this is a LIE that Jews have spread. The Jew was forced to work in labour camps and he died because he could not work. There were NOT 6 million deaths - never been proven. The figure is more like 300,000 due to sickness and work related accidents over a period of 12 years.

The 6 million figure is a JEWISH lie maintained by the Jews who control the American media. It is a ZOG conspiracy.

 

Well, for sure many have claimed superiority for themselves and inferiority on others to justify crimes. In America, slavery was begun as soon as the settlers had a foothold. They were capturing Indians and selling them as slaves in the Caribbean. At the heart of this, of course, was a land grab. American had its own Manifest Destiny doctine used to justify genocide and thievery.

In Hitler's case, he stole the Jews' wealth to make his printed money good. Remember that Germany was just coming out of a period of hyper-inflation due to policies of the Weimar Republic (policies which are mirrored in today's economy BTW). Once they were reduced to paupers, they were of no further use, were declared sub-human and the 'final solution' was imposed. The thievery continued even with that in the extraction of gold teeth.

Jews weren't the only victims of Hitler and greed wasn't the only, or even primary factor. Darwinism and eugenics were firmly rooted in Hitler's philosophy and stealing the Jews wealth was just a sub-plot in his efforts to build a superior race.

 

A. The Nazis would have had the Holocaust with or without Luther.

B. If I were a leftist, I would realize that the Jews were solely responsible for that Holocaust.

 

...bingo !

 

And both of those points are exactly right.

I never understood anti-semitism, anti-islam, anti-catholicism, anti-mormonism, or any other kind of discrimination. To me discriminating against a person for something like that is moronic. You might as well hate somebody for having blonde hair, or having a round face instead of an oval face.

For some reason, Jews have been a whipping boy for the left (and right) for decades. However, I will admit I have seen far more of this from the left then the right. You will see "mainstream" leftists that have anti-jewish beliefs. But on the right, you generally only see that from the kooks like neonazis and klukkers that we do not want to admit anything with in the first place.

 

My guess is that Martin Luther's antisemitism was a product of the larger culture's antisemitism more than the other way around.

 

An acquaintance of mine who claims to be a communist said that he had nothing against Jews. It was the Zionists that he hates. We started discussing the problems in the Middle East and in less than three minutes he launched a rant where he used the phrase "f@cking Jews" three times. When he stopped I said, "Oh, f@cking Jews?"

"I meant Zionists."
"No, you didn't."

 

Maybe he only despised Arabs?

 

"Martin Luther Responsible for the Holocaust" - idiotic of course.

What evidence exists to prove that Hitler was influenced by Luther? Or that Luther advocated mass murder?

We could as easily blame:

1) Voltaire, who eagerly condemned Jews

Voltaire and the Jews

2) Darwin promoter Ernst Haekel

Quote from Stephen Jay Gould’s Ontology and Phylogeny : [Haekel's] evolutionary racism; his call to the German people for racial purity and unflinching devotion to a "just" state; his belief that harsh, inexorable laws of evolution ruled human civilization and nature alike, conferring upon favored races the right to dominate others . . . all contributed to the rise of Nazism.

3) The American eugenics movement

Hitler's debt to America

The Nazis' extermination programme was carried out in the name of eugenics - but they were by no means the only advocates of racial purification. In this extract from his extraordinary new book, Edwin Black describes how Adolf Hitler's race hatred was underpinned by the work of American eugenicists
Nietzsche, who longed for the victory of the strong over the weak.

4) Nietzsche, who longed for the victory of the strong over the weak.



quote: Hitler often visited the Nietzsche museum in Weimar and publicized his veneration for the philosopher by posing for photographs of himself staring in rapture at the bust of the great man.

quote: Finally there was Nietzsche's prophecy of the coming elite who would rule the world and from whom the superman would spring. In The Will to Power he exclaims: "A daring and ruler race is building itself up.... The aim should be to prepare a transvaluation of values for a particularly strong kind of man, most highly gifted in intellect and will. This man and the elite around him will become the 'lords of the earth'." Such rantings from one of Germany's most original minds must have struck a responsive chord in Hitler's littered mind. At any rate he appropriated them for his own--not only the thoughts but the philosopher's penchant for grotesque exaggeration, and often his very words. "Lords of the Earth" is a familiar expression in Mein Kampf.

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This is absolutely crazy and I hope you aren't buying into it.

Martin Luther was not perfect, but the persecution of the Jews began long before Luther.

Vagabond from Vienna? That's far too romantic.. Hitler was an uneducated thug.

 

The Jews were the authors of their own destiny. To out the blame on others is wrong.

 

Exactly.

Oh, they are anti-semitic. But since that is something they try to claim they are not, they hide it under "politically correct" words. And if you scratch the surface of anybody that claims to be "anti-xzionist", you find an anti-semite hiding underneath.

 

I will not discuss the Jews and Germans for there is NO truth whatsoever that the Germans attempted to exterminate the Jews. To me this Thread is closed.