Conservatives: Why Do You Claim To Support Small Government But Oppose Gay Marriage?

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  1. IrishLefty

    IrishLefty New Member

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    All in the title.
     
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    Could you provide more...like your understanding of each to each other?
     
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    I don't oppose gay marriage.

    But yeah, what's the link between small government and gay marriage? Is it an authoritarian thing?
     
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    Yes conservatives generally oppose it but at the same time support less authoritarian government, especially in economic issues as well as other domestic issues such as gun control.
     
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    1: You spammed this topic several times with duplicate posts.

    2: You failed to met the thread minimum requirements.

    3: It's a strawman.

     
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    they are bigots that is you answer
     
  7. IrishLefty

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    It was an accident that it was spammed. The server was having difficulties so I tried to create the thread several times without any response. I apologize I am new to this.
     
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    It's certainly not a strawman for those that actually believe in small government yet rail against gay marriage and gay rights in general.
     
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    sexual preference has nothing to do with bigotry, are you an 8 track tape?
     
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    I guess a generalized statement fits your purpose. I am conservative and don't give 2 (*)(*)(*)(*)s about gay marriage. I feel the whole argument is put forth by 2 parties that don't want us to recognize that they are screwing our future and hope that social bombs will keep us from noticing.
     
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    I can't speak for all, but a lot of it has to do with religious views, not wanting that drastic of a societal change, maybe some are just phobic.

    But it's not universal throughout the conservative crowd, there is the Log Cabin folks, and then of course Libertarians (right leaning) are usually pretty neutral on the issue.
     
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    The state has an interest in marriage because it is the institution that fosters the raising of children. Same sex marriage creates nothing that benefits the state.

    It is a drain on the state to recognize same sex marriage, and then use up judicial resources to adjudicate disputes between same sex couples in divorce court.

    The taxpayers are asked to foot the bill for a marriage that benefits no one except the people within it.

    Homosexuals who wish to gain most of the benefits of marriage can do simply by entering into contracts and signing forms drawn up by an attorney. There are attorneys who specialize in this work.
     
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    So then the same should apply to heterosexual marriages that don't produce children. Right?

    But it's not a drain for the state to adjudicate the disputes of heteros who marry multiple times?

    Foot what bill exactly?

    Ah yes, separate but equal.
     
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    People can have children, marriage or not. That argument is idiotic.
     
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    so how long before we have to recognize people that want to marry their dogs or other animal?

    Sexual preference is a ridiculous argument for gay marriage.
     
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    Speaking of ridiculous arguments...

    Why have no cases of recognized animal marriage been observed in states that also recognize gay marriage? Why do people choose to perpetuate such an obviously wrong and absurd argument?
     
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    No. You avoid the argument. Kids are such a hassle eh? Dang them.
     
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    No...you are wrong. All sexual behaviors eventually will be equal under the law if one sexual behavior is deemed a civil right.
     
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    Oh eventually. Whenever that is.
     
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    There is nothing contradictory in these two personal opinions. I, as a Conservative, am personally opposed to my own Government passing on the benefits of marriage between two people of the same sex.

    This opinion is one which I wish to apply to my own State, as it is only here where I believe the Government should have a say regardless. If I were to really set this issue right, however, I would say this:

    1) Government should not favor married people over single wrt taxation regardless.

    2) Federal Government has no business wielding any power regarding marriage whatsoever; there should be no Government license to marry; I believe it is a breach of Constitutionality.

    3) States should individually be able to decide for themselves whether to acknowledge gay marriage for legal reasons.

    4) No other State should be required to acknowledge a marriage in another State.

    Regardless, I as a Conservative believe that Gays can marry someone, just like the rest of us: we all have to find someone of the opposite sex with which to engage in Marriage; so should they. If they choose to join for life with a member of their own sex, they can do so as well, but they should not be able to call it Marriage, as that is not what they're engaging in.

    This is misuse of the word "marriage", as it has a very specific meaning. Rather than change the meaning, homosexuals should develop a word which describes their unions for themselves. Refusing to do so is simply a societal bullying tactic: Gays want "marriage" mostly as a means to force acceptance of their lifestyles on people who do not wish to do so.

    I should not be forced to accept the choices of others. It is enough to tolerate them.
     
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    When the activists realize they have an opening.
     
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    Of course. It'll happen eventually.:fart:
     
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    Ahh....Hypocrisy at its finest.
     
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    Forcing the government to redefine marriage to include additional meanings in order to appease special interest groups is technically increasing the size of government. You guys always phrase this wrong because you want to set it up as some sort of "gotcha" argument that doesn't even work under closer evaluation.
     
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