Debunking 6 Myths About Anders Breivik

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    1. Anders Behring Breivik was a Fundamentalist Christian.

    Breivik described himself as not a religious person and mentions praying only once. His plans leading up to the attacks involved multiple visits to prostitutes. In one section of his manifesto he clarifies what he means by Christian.

    Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?

    No, you don’t need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy.

    Breivik did call himself a Christian, but meant that in a cultural sense, rather than a theological one. He emphasized that he was not seeking a theocracy, but a secular society. His idea of a Christian Europe had nothing to do with religion.

    2. Anders Behring Breivik Hated Muslims.

    Breivik viewed Muslims as the enemy, but only domestically. He emphasized that; “Knights Templar​ do not intend to persecute devout Muslims”

    And he contemplated collaborating with them on terrorist attacks against Europe. “An alliance with the Jihadists might prove beneficial to both parties… We both share one common goal.” The Caliphate was a useful enemy for his cause.

    In Breivik’s own words, this is how such an arrangement would play out;

    “They are asked to provide a biological compound manufactured by Muslim scientists in the Middle East. Hamas and several Jihadi groups have labs and they have the potential to provide such substances. Their problem is finding suitable martyrs who can pass “screenings” in Western Europe. This is where we come in. We will smuggle it in to the EU and distribute it at a target of our choosing. We must give them assurances that we are not to harm any Muslims etc.”​


    Ask yourself is these are the words of a anti-Jihadist who was fighting against Islam. Or a delusional European terrorist who was willing to ally with Jihadist against his fellow Europeans.

    Breivik spells out that he is willing to kill Europeans on behalf of just about anyone…

    There might come a time when we, the PCCTS, Knights Templar will consider to use or even to work as a proxy for the enemies of our enemies.

    Under these circumstances, the PCCTS, Knights Templar will for the future consider working with the enemies of the EU/US hegemony such as Iran (South Korea is unlikely), al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab or the rest of the devout fractions of the Islamic Ummah with the intention for deployment of small nuclear, radiological, biological or chemical weapons in Western European capitals and other high priority locations.

    Justiciar Knights and other European Christian martyrs can avoid the scrutiny normally reserved for individuals of Arab descent and we can ensure successful deployment and detonation in the location of our choice.​


    This should put to rest any idea that Breivik was on a crusade against Islam. He was a deluded man who imagined himself leading a takeover of Europe, even if he had to serve as a Muslim proxy to do it.

    3. Anders Behring Breivik was Inspired by Counterjihad Bloggers.

    Except Breivik didn’t actually kill Muslims. Instead he claimed to be part of a modern Templar Knights​ organization that was going to take over Europe. Breivik played role playing video games obsessively. One of his favorites was Dragon Age, one of whose characters is a Templar Knight who hacks his way to power.

    Did the game inspire Breivik to become a modern Templar Knight? As much as Catcher in the Rye​ inspired the murder of John Lennon.

    Breivik was manic depressive and using steroids while obsessively acting out power fantasies. He built up a fantasy world that convinced him he could become, “…a hero of Europe… A perfect example which should be copied, applauded and celebrated. The Perfect Knight I have always strived to be.”

    Trying to apply rational standards to Breivik is futile. Like many killers he was of above average intelligence, but below average sanity. Remove the politics, and Breivik fits the profile of most spree killers. He was angry at society, a loner, suffered from mental problems, abused drugs (in his case steroids) and acted out violent scenarios in violent video games.

    4. Anders Behring Breivik was Pro-Israel.

    Breivik was in favor of allying with Israel, India and other minorities in the Muslim world as part of the struggle against Islam. The idea that he was a Zionist or felt any particular affinity for Israel is baseless. Rather Breivik describes the majority of German Jews as disloyal and suggests that if Hitler had deported them, instead of exterminating them he would have become a hero.

    If the NSDAP had been isolationistic instead of imperialistic (expansionist) and just deported the Jews (to a liberated and Muslim free Zion) instead of massacring them, the anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism would have never been institutionalized in Western Europe.​


    Breivik does mention that large numbers of Jews would have to be executed as Class A or Class B traitors, but urges targeting by political belief, rather than by race.

    5. Anders Behring Breivik was a Moderate.

    Breivik pretended to be a moderate for tactical reasons. He explored National Socialism and formulated his own plan under another name. In his social networking, he describes, “sharing “moderate” resources from my book on debate groups to coach fellow cultural conservatives”. The quotation marks around moderate is in the original.

    While most have swallowed the idea that Breivik was a counterjihadist, his actual plan was to exploit tensions over Muslim terrorism, in order to conduct a campaign of terrorism against European targets and seize power with a more stable version of National Socialism.

    Breivik was not a Nazi himself, for tactical reasons, because he disagreed with Nazi expansionism. But his own plan called for the use of WMD’s in Europe and the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of traitors. The echoes of the Turner Diaries​ are very obviously present in his manifesto.

    6. Anders Behring Breivik was a Political Terrorist.

    Breivik was not a member of a terrorist group, except in his own fantasies. His plan was to carry out an attack and become the hero of Europe. This is fairly typical lunacy. His plans were grandiose and detached from reality.

    His main target was a children’s camp, his final notes are frenzied and he mentions having his thinking clouded by steroid withdrawal.

    Breivik did have a plan, but it is detached enough from reality that it can hardly be called a serious political program. He did succeed in killing a large number of people, but so have many other lunatics. Nothing that Breivik did was the work of a sound mind.

    Comparisons have been made to the Unabomber, but the Columbine killers and numerous others also come to mind. Including Charles Manson. Breivik’s program was just as grandiose as Manson’s, and just as deluded. Both hoped that a serious of violent acts would touch off a larger war that would enable them to take over.

    Breivik is as much a political terrorist as Manson, and can no more be considered part of any larger cause, beyond the malformed chemicals in his own brain.

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    This is by far the best analogy of last week’s tragic terrorist attack in Norway I’ve seen. Of course, the Left and their Muslim allies have been trying to figure out ways to place the blame for Breivek’s terrorist attack on the counter-jihad movement and the right wing, but the truth is Breivek was just unhinged.

    He wasn’t really a Christian, but an agnostic instead. However, he was a Christian only in the sense that he believed that Western Judeo-Christian culture was far superior to Secularism or Islamic culture. In other words, Breivek believed in traditional values, although with respect to Christianity he was agnostic, and he saw the Left as waging war against those traditional values that he believed in.

    He also wasn’t as anti-Muslim as the lamestream lapdog media is trying to present in order to attempt to place the blame on the counter-jihad movement and the right wing. Indeed, if he were, he would have attacked Muslims instead. However, he obviously detested Leftists and everything they stood for, as the Left is trying to obliterate Western Judeo-Christian culture to replace it with Secularism, Leftism, and moral relativism, which is what led him to attack that Labor Party youth indoctrination camp.
     
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    Are you Daniel Greenfield? If not, stop trying to copy pasta from kook blogs.
     
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    Sounds like another Unibomber type nut-job. That one read Al Gore's rantings.


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    www.blogger.com/profile/13575285186581875356 -

    My name is Daniel Greenfield. I'm a blogger and columnist born in Israel and currently living in New York City
     
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    Daniel Greenfield would seem to be Anders without bombs or guns.
     
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    First clue in how he labels a summer camp.

    "However, he obviously detested Leftists and everything they stood for, as the Left is trying to obliterate Western Judeo-Christian culture to replace it with Secularism, Leftism, and moral relativism, which is what led him to attack that Labor Party youth indoctrination camp."

    Do you suppose Greenfield has ANY deeply held "Christian" values himself?
     
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    Good OP, OYM. This guy is a NUT. Associating him with Christians is nothing more than a pile on by lefties and atheists to make Christians look bad. Anyone can say they're a Christian. Anyone who did what he did is not. He's crazy. He was doing drugs too.
    Jim Jones was crazy and on drugs as well.

    These people and others like them are murdering nutcases, not Christians.
     
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    This laziness to just copy-paste articles from right-wing blogs without even bothering to mark them as quoted articles and bothering to add some own thoughts seems to be like a virus.
    The whole forum is being spammed with such frauds.

    As for the article itself: I wonder how long it will take until some of these freaks from the right-wing blogosphere will have worked out some wild and long winded theory on how Breivik really is an undercover-Muslim.

    I find their attitudes concerning the Norway tragedy more and more pathetic and agree with Marc Sageman on this point:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/25debate.html?pagewanted=all

    If you sow hate you should not be surprised if you reap violence.
     
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    Good question... It doesn't seem that way.
     
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    Greenfield is playing it.... A deranged murderous Muslim is still a Muslim, but a deranged murderous Christian can't possibly be a Christian.
     
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    I've never understood that dichotomy either.
     
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    We will never see Liberals stop being intellectual dishonest... that is their nature.

    Your post is excellent.
     
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    So slaughtering the Children of Norwegian "liberals" is OK?
     
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    Well said.
    Hes own lawyer says "this is not christianity as we recognize it".
    He also asks the police to "drill into Knights Templar"
     
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    Couple things.

    The OP listed the source with a hyperlink in his first post. So he's not pretending to be the author of the thoughtful debunk.

    Until such time that Christian groups rise up and declare war on anyone, all you people need to just **** and get a life. The desire to paint this lone freak (not even a christian anyway) as a poster boy for equal threat versus Muslims, is simply malicious lies.

    I keep sort of hoping to find thoughtful intelligent progressives here with which to have a debate, but I know in reality, such a wish is childish. There is no such thing as a thoughtful progressive. Their minds are genuinely bent, and trying to reason with them is maddening because it's like trying to reason with toddlers.
     
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    How do you figure such a reply is worthy of any consideration at all?

    Next time pause before submit.:fart:
     
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    You are correct, Trinnity.

    It is very sad how the liberals in this group love to attack people of the Christian faith but then give Muslims a pass on their unholy actions and religious beliefs.

    [​IMG]

    Iran: Two More Executions for Homosexual Conduct.

    On Sunday, November 13, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan.

    The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of "lavat." Iran’s sharia law, a law-based penal code defines lavat as penetrative and non-penetrative sexual acts between men. Iranian law punishes all penetrative sexual acts between adult men with the death penalty. Non-penetrative sexual acts between men are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are punished with death. Sexual acts between women, which are defined differently, are punished with lashes until the fourth offense, when they are also punished with death.

    Human Rights Watch called upon the Iranian government to decriminalize homosexuality and reminded Iran of its obligations under Toonen v. Australia (1994), the Human Rights Committee’s authoritative interpretation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which Iran is party. Toonen v. Australia extends recognition of the right to privacy and the right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation throughout human rights law.
     
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    Read Israel David Greenfield's long convoluted blog.......
     
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    You won't find them if all you want is to compare threats becouse thats a US perspective only, and since progressivism was all but eradicated in the US during the cold war, they are hard to find.
     
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    That is exactly what is says.... it also says that God will strike with thunderbolts from his arse... read it closely... I am sure you can find that too! :twisted:

    (Quit making crap up.)
     
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    I have Christian and Muslim neighbours. I'm on good terms with all of them. Neither my Christian nor my Muslim neighbours ever tried to assassinate me or do harm to me in any way. I don't feel threatened by anybody. The likelihood of me or any of my neighbours dying in a terrorist attack is minute. If I was to put bets on possible causes of my death that cause would range way behind being hit by lightning.
    If you seriously feel threatened by "Muslims" it's probably because you've looked at somebody elses poster boys for scaremongering too long.

    Having said that I'd like to clarify that it does of course make sense for our states to invest in terror-prevention. And I should hope that they investigate in direction of all possible terror suspects and not just in direction of those that befit certain stereotypes.
     
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    I have no intention of making him out to be a Muslim.
    What I do intend to do is point out your hypocracy in defending people like the "Palestinian" terrorists in defending their homelands from invasion and in the next breath condemning Brevik for doing the same thing.

    Brevik has stated that his purpose is to defend his country of interlopers who would destroy Norwegian culture.

    What say you?
     
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    What do you believe? Is a deranged murderous Christian is still a Christian?
     
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    Good post. How often do you find any of Christian faith murdering like Breivil? Pick up the news paper and you find Muslims bombing and killing each other on a daily basis.
     
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    How many times have we heard delusional self-hating Leftists making this same exact silly asinine argument? I swear all you Leftists must be addicted to moral equivalence and the more stupid the better.

    Anyway, exactly like all delusional Leftists you are an intellectually dishonest liar. The truth is you don’t have any Muslim neighbors and you don’t have any Muslim friends, because Muslims are forbidden, per the texts and tenets of Islam, from being friends with non-Muslim unbeliever. As a matter of fact, Allah says to the effect that anyone that befriends an unbeliever is an unbeliever. Indeed, that’s why in country after country where mass Muslim immigration is taking place, Muslims are forming segregated Muslim enclaves that eventually in the long run morph into Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia as parallel societies within societies and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. In fact, this distinct pattern in country after country couldn’t be more obvious. Hence, way to make a fool out of yourself on a message board again!

    That’s because you are too oblivious to feel threatened. One can only feel threatened by what one is aware of, and like most self-hating and delusional leftists, you couldn’t be more clueless or unaware. Not only that, but also beyond being delusional, you are also intellectually dishonest, and I wouldn’t be surprised that you are so far gone that you actually believe your own lies.

    Yeah…it makes a lot of sense for our respective countries to spend hundreds of billions of dollars annually, to massively expand the size of government, to take away our heretofore constitutionally protected freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and right to privacy without our consent, to impose a Patriot Act to monitor our private communications, and to force us all to endure idiotic, insane, inconvenient, and personally intrusive security checks all to create a false sense of security so that we can continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage. Meanwhile, I’m wondering what other immigrant groups cost nearly so much to accommodate.

    In addition, other than honor killings, female genital mutilation, institutionalized oppression of females, wife beating, child marriage, child sexual slavery, institutionalized prejudice against all non-Muslim dhimmis, including oppression of gays and bigotry against Jews and all unbelievers, riots against Israel, riots against Muhammad cartoons, riots against any and all criticisms of Islam, legitimate or otherwise, Islamic supremacism, a disproportionate amount of crimes committed by Muslims, especially the crime of rape, flat out refusal to assimilate and integrate, segregated no-go zones ruled by Sharia, backwardness, barbarianism, constant demands for Halal food, constant and incessant demands for ever more Sharia, demands for more and more work place accommodations for Islamic prayer and holy days, false and non-existent claims of discrimination, incessant false claims of victimhood, racism, and Islamophobia, subversion to remove all obstacles for the eventual imposition of Sharia, intimidation, threats of violence, and homegrown and foreign domestic jihadist attacks, what exactly does Muslim immigration have to contribute to our Western societies that makes all of that baggage worth it?

    I mean is it really worth all the hundreds of billions of dollars, the sacrifice of our heretofore constitutionally protected rights and freedoms that were usurped without our consent, and the extremely intrusive security checks just to continue accommodating Muslim mass immigration and all of its excess baggage? Not to mention the astronomical budget deficits and runaway national debt.

    Anyway if you think it worth it, then you need to get your intellectually dishonest head examined.

    Actually, if you weren’t completely unhinged to begin with you would know already that terrorism always involves violence, is only perpetrated by political extremists that are non-Muslims, and can be for any number of causes. While jihad, on the other hand, can be violent or non-violent, is always in the cause of Allah, at least it has been for the past almost 1400 years, and only involves Muslims. In addition, terrorism relative to violent jihad takes place at about roughly 1 terrorist attack for every 17,000 violent jihad attacks. Hence, do you really want to deploy the same amount of resources for terrorism as opposed to jihad?
     

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