U.S. to send 100 million to Somalia for hunger aid.

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  1. arjay

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    Now, I don't have a problem sending food to the needy (I believe it's a Christian mandate, to feed the truly starving), but where is this money coming from? Print, borrow or steal it from those who work for it, right? Not to mention, this operation looks like it could have a military component to it.
    Here's a thought, why doesn't the the U.S. redirect the millions of dollars we send to peoples & countries that hate our guts or to countries that we still have military personnel in, let them protect themselves & since in a lot of cases, the soldiers aren't wanted by the people there anyway? But that's not going to happen, though, is it?:frustrated:

    U.S. aid to Somalia
     
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    Would imagine al-Shabaab behind this...
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    AP: Somalia famine aid stolen, UN investigating
    August 15, 2011 — Sacks of grain, peanut butter snacks and other food staples meant for starving Somalis are being stolen and sold in markets, an Associated Press investigation has found, raising concerns that thieving businessmen are undermining international famine relief efforts in this nearly lawless country.
     
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    The money the US sends to Pakistan should be looked at long before this but I understand the point you're making. You should not be donating to charities if you are heavily in debt and cannot finance your own expenses and obligations without borrowing.
     
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    Funny you say you dont have a problem but then say you have a problem.

    This is one of the worst draughts the world has, its normal to help .
     
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    Wait there cold be a military component to Somali aid? No way...

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    Seriously this incident alone should have been enough reason to keep out of other countries (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    As tragic as the economic situation is in Somalia, The U.S. government is not the core root problem of Somalia's government failures to implement policies to improve economic growth. Somalia, a Muslim country, never issued a declaration of war against the U.S. even though President Obama authorized air drone missile strikes in Somalia, a form of American imperialism and government interventionism. There's no money in the U.S. treasury to lend Somalia economic aid. It was seem more plausible for other Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran (sponsors of global terrorism), who donates billions of dollars to The Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah send economic aid to help alleviate Somalia's fractured economy.
     
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    Losses not big enough to stop aid...

    UN: Aid Will Still Go to Somalia despite Fraud
    Tuesday, August 16, 2011 — The U.N. World Food Program insisted Tuesday it won't reduce emergency aid shipments to Somalia despite allegations of fraud, saying that though such complaints are frequent it doesn't believe there have been big losses.
     
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    Too bad the Somolians who really need it aren't going to get any of that money. It will just be lost in government corruption and waste. The Christian mandate says nothing about government force. We can't afford it. We're broke.
     
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    If you had read all of my rather short post, you would have seen where my "problem" with the issue lies. I would venture to say that most, if not all, human starvation is the fault of other humans, in one way or another. Just look at some of the other stories in this thread.
     
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    It's great that we can use our "wealth" to help others who are in need, my only hope is that our aid finds it's intended recipients.

    I'm sure the process of transferring and appointing U.S. aid money is quite different from how the U.N. goes about it's business... but sometimes you have to wonder where the money is going, and who decides where it goes.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/16/world/africa/16briefs-Somalia.html
     
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    Lot of underfed kids in Horn of Africa famine...
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    UN: 300,000 children malnourished in Horn of Africa
    2011-08-20 -- The head of the UN Children's Fund says more than 300,000 children in the Horn of Africa are severely malnourished, and in imminent risk of dying from drought and famine.
     
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    :ignore:Sure it is. Only if you can afford it. We need to take care of our own first. And then when we can afford to stick our butts in others business then we can do so. We have enough problems of our own and its not the time to play God to others that don't even care for us.
     
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    And does it matter its the fault of other humans? You only want to help when its not the fault of other people?

    Does it matter what the reason is?
     
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    So according to you the USA can spare a couple of million?

    Yeah those SUV's wont fill themselves.

    Please dont predent youre problams aer 1/1000 the of the problems of the people there.
     
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    How many years have we been sending money to feed the starving in places like Africa, Haiti, Somalie, etc.? We've been doing it for decades, just sending and sending, shelling out more money, more money to feed the starving. 30 or 40 years later, we're still feeding the starving in these places, it has not changed a thing and yet the people there just keep having loads of children so we can keep sending millions and billions in aid. When does it stop? never? Does their situation ever improve? Has it?
     
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    Billions in aid? Sure

    And perhaps actually help those nations? Not let them be dominated by comapnies? protect them from being sucked dry? NOT mess them up for political or economic gains?
     
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    Can you NAME any companies that are "sucking them dry"???
     
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    That's three-quarters of a million people...
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    Famine spreads with 750,000 at risk of death in Somalia alone, UN says
    5 Sep 2011 - More than 750,000 people will die of starvation in Somalia in the next four months unless urgent help arrives within weeks, the United Nations has said as it declared the country's famine had spread further.
     
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    Their problems are not our problems.

    We simply cannot afford aid to Somalia at this time.
     
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    Evidently at this point they are also being picked off by Measles, Chickenpox and Cholera.

    It really is a disaster brought on by the warlords and conflict.
     
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    http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=104984

    MOGADISHU, Sep 5, 2011 (IPS) - Masses of food meant for famine victims in Somalia are being stolen, an investigation has revealed. "There is widespread food aid corruption, that is why I am calling for the establishment of a special food aid monitoring group — this must include Somalis and the foreigners themselves," Somali member of parliament Prof. Ali Mahmoud Nur told IPS.

    The Somali government intends to fire all of Mogadishu’s 16 district commissioners amidst reports of food aid theft and insecurity. The government is planning to set up a special police force tasked with providing security during food aid distribution. These measures were revealed as there have been recent reports of rioting and killings during food distribution at camps for famine victims. But it may not be enough to prevent the theft of food aid and there have been calls for government to set up a food aid corruption prevention unit.

    Each day tonnes of food aid arrives in Mogadishu from across the world for the famine victims. At least five cargo flights from Turkey and Kuwait arrive daily and other countries like Djibouti, Sudan, and Iran have also sent aid. Mercy USA, Diakonie Emergency Aid Bread for the World - Germany and the United Nations Refugee Agency are among the agencies distributing aid in the capital.

    But Nur says the theft of food aid is so widespread that a special food aid monitoring group needs to be formed. Nur, a Somali-born U.S. citizen, has close ties with both the country’s Speaker of Parliament Sharif Hassan Sheik Aden and President Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed. He told IPS that he has personally investigated reports of aid corruption.

    Over 100,000 people have fled the drought and famine in southern Somalia to the country’s capital in search of food and aid in the last few months. Many walked for weeks on foot, without food or even water, losing loved ones and children too weak or malnourished to survive the arduous journey. And those who survived arrived at the capital weak and malnourished. The U.N. estimates that the total number of internally displaced persons (IDPs) in Mogadishu is currently around 470,000.

    But their hope of finding aid in Mogadishu has diminished as officials are now involved in the theft of food aid. "It is very clear that some officials are involved in food aid corruption here — I am calling on them to stop such bad behaviour or otherwise they will damage their dignity," Nur said. Addressing a peaceful demonstration in Mogadishu on Aug. 23, Somali Prime Minister Abdi Weli Mohamed Ali and the region’s governor, Mahmoud Ahmed Nur, admitted that food aid was being stolen in some areas in the capital and promised to address this.

    One government official, who demanded anonymity, told IPS that the government intends to fire all Mogadishu’s 16 district commissioners. The district commissioners have been accused of numerous crimes including colluding with the foremen of the refugee camps to steal aid. However, no one has been officially charged yet. In Mogadishu the district commissioners are powerful former clan militiamen appointed by the government for their standing among the local clans.

    They are a law unto themselves. On Sep. 3 in the district of Bulohubey, in Mogadishu, the local district commissioner Ahmed Adow Anshur’s (better known as Ahmed Daai) militia clashed with the Transitional Federal Government soldiers. Three government soldiers were killed. Sources say that it seems highly unlikely that the country’s transitional government will be able to fire the district commissioners as some are ‘powerful warlords’.

    But Abdullahi Mohamed Shirwa, who heads the Somali government’s Disaster Management Agency (DMA), which is tasked to coordinate aid efforts in Mogadishu, believes that the food aid is properly managed. Most international aid agencies distribute the aid themselves while the DMA manages the food donated by various international governments.

    "There were a few tonnes of food assistance from Kuwait which was delivered to the IDPs through my agency — I can confirm to you that we have managed it well and made sure that it got into the hands of the really needy people," he said, adding that the food aid coming to Somalia can only meet about 10 percent of the country’s needs. But he acknowledged that mistakes were made at some IDP camps in Mogadishu.

    On Aug. 22 three famine victims were killed at an IDP camp in Waberi district in Mogadishu, while four others were wounded as government forces fired on them during food aid distribution. Waberi is the first port of call in Mogadishu for refugees fleeing their homes in the drought-stricken south. But it is not the first incidence where people were killed during a food riot. Ten people were killed on Aug. 5 during a riot at Badbaado camp – the city’s largest camp for refugees.

    Shirwa admitted that there were reports of looting and theft of food aid at some camps in Mogadishu, but he believes that about 95 percent of the food aid has been properly managed. And he said those issues will be resolved soon as the Somali government has established a special security police force whose responsibility will be to tighten the security of food aid at the camps.

    The food security forces will start their operations as soon as possible, said Shirwa. But he could not give IPS a date when this would happen. He added that food security forces would work both day and night in routine operations around the IDP camps and streets in the capital to ensure the smooth continuation of humanitarian operations. Soldiers are currently stationed around the aid distribution centres, but gangs, and even some government forces, have been accused of stealing food aid from famine refugees despite this security.

    Amina Yusuf, a mother of four who lives at the Waberi district IDP camp, told IPS that armed men always rob them of their food. "Robbing of food aid occurs here at least two times a week — we don’t know what to do," Amina said.

    But it is not just in Mogadishu that food is not reaching people in need. The Somali government’s relief inspector for Mogadishu and two of the worst drought-hit southern regions, Lower Shabelle and Middle Shabelle, Mahmoud Dahir Farah, said that his office had gathered evidence that food aid is not being properly managed. Farah, who is appointed by the Somali government to coordinate the relief operations in these regions, said unfortunately people in need were not receiving food aid as intended.

    "I am calling on the top Somali leaders to tackle this problem, because the food aid distribution is corrupted by the administrators in Mogadishu districts – this is a great problem, which has to be solved as soon as possible," he said. He also demanded that the government soldiers who killed IDPs at the Badbaado camp early this month and in Waberi district on Aug. 22 be brought before a court.

    The U.N. has estimated that more than 3.6 million people in Somalia are currently in need of emergency humanitarian assistance as the region is in the midst of the worst drought in 60 years.
     
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    Yep.. the Saudis airlifted 240,000 tonnes of food to Somalia last week..

    I don't think anyone can fix this horrid problem as long as there is on going conflict and masses of refugees on the move.
     
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    Oh please read the article . They start wars in africa to get rare metals that are USED in playstations made in asia.
     

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