Diversity could tear your nation apart!

Those who promote "racial tolerance" and "diversity" hope for a country in which all the different races can live peacefully and happily side by side.
They blame any racial conflict on "ignorance", "intolerance", and "racism".
Supposedly by further racially integrating the country, and bringing in more ethnic diversity from other countries, the goal of "multiculturalism" will be advanced.

But I want you to consider another possiblity: What if peaceful racial coexistence is not realistic? Should we not be worried about this possibility?
Multiculturalists refuse to recognise this danger because the mere existence of such a possibility is completely contrary to their ideology.


Many ancient empires crumbled because of diversity. Foreign lands were acquired by conquest. All of the longer lasting empires sent large numbers of people of their own ethnicity into the lands they took, and imposed their own cultural/religious values onto the people that were conquered. The main reason for the fall of the roman empire, besides fiscal irresponsibility, was the incursion of foreign peoples into the empire. At first, the Romans hired the foreigners to defend themselves against foreign incursions. However, these foreigners held no allegiance to Rome, and as soon as they stopped receiving a salary they took to rampaging/looting the countryside in search of valuables and women. One of the Roman Empires big mistakes was to rely on foreigners, who had not yet been culturally integrated, to defend the state.

We can see this happening in the USA, with a large portion of their army consisting of only second-generation hispanics.

lets look at China and India.

China is paranoid about all the ethnic divisions. They saw how nationalism and ethnic identity led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. China is doing everything it can to suppress any information about the serious ethnic divisions that exist within the country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8139587.stm
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2011/01/04/2003492613
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8141541.stm

"China: Ethnic Tension as a Threat to Beijing" Current unrest in China may represent a local security threat but not a strategic threat to the regime. STRATFOR, global intelligence company report
http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-it-cant-happen-here-1595

Cultural and religious differences tore apart the Indian nation. During the Partition there was huge slaughter on both sides, estimates vary between 200,000 to 1,000,000 killed, with millions more displaced. Now there are three countries: India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

Ethnic divisions have caused innumerable conflicts and torn apart many countries. There is even a name for the process- "balkanization".

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of [different ethnicities], each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.” Theodore Roosevelt

The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon-all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.

A nation is much more than a place on a map. It is a state of mind, a shared vision, and a recognition that we are all in this together. A nation needs a common language as it needs a common currency. You have to share something with your neighbors beside a postal number. We need many things to tie us together, but one indispensable element must be that we all speak one common language.

America has been successful because the white majority, who came from many different northern and western european countries, has become one people. There is a "social glue" of a common language, a shared history, uniting symbols that tie them together. They live under a common flag, which id honored, and saluted.

What americans are seeing in their streets is a naked assertion of power by outsiders against the american nation. They demand that americans comply with their wishes and submit america's immigration policies for their approval, and implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met. They believe that they are still Mexicans, El Salvadorans, Guatemalans. For the most part they do not have any allegiance to the USA.

There are a number of Mexican and Hispanic advocacy groups, such as the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA) and the National Council of La Raza (La Raza), which more or less support, advocate, or have a revolutionary agenda of conquering America's southwest, retaking northern "Aztlan" from the gringo invaders. They make no secret about their intentions: http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/mecha/archive/plan.html

In May, 2005, the BBC reported: "The Latinization of California is nothing short of a revolution. California will become a predominantly Spanish-speaking state within the next few years. And, as the majority population, there is really no need, or incentive, for them to assimilate into mainstream American society as their predecessors have always done. Whether Latinos then decide to push for greater autonomy or to seek a political agenda of their own with closer ties to Mexico and Central America is very much up for grabs." In 2001, the pro-immigration New California Media reported that Mexico "continues to mourn the loss of half of its territory to the U.S. in the 19th Century."

Mexico is pushing hard for amnesty and various benefits for millions of illegal Mexican migrants. Once naturalized, amnestied migrants could add tens of millions of people and future voters to the U.S. through births here and through immigration of extended families. U.S.-born children, even of illegal immigrants and guest workers, are American citizens and could vote at 18.

Ethnic differences and nationalism were one of the primary causes of the disintegration of the soviet union. The different ethnicities, cultures, and languages, were unable to, or did not wish to, live together.

Those who choose to ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Multiculturalism and immigration pose a grave danger to the future of the western countries.

A large segment in any society naturally cares more about their own ethnic group than other peoples from other cultures/ethnic groups. Making a society more diverse is likely to lead to less social cohesion, and make the society as a whole less willing to care for their fellow members.
http://www.politicalforum.com/healt...hanging-attitudes-towards-helping-others.html
Thus diversity is likely to lead to more inequality, reduced living standards, and threaten the government-provided social "safety net" for the unemployed and sick.

 

The empirical evidence suggests otherwise. In America's past when it was more white it was also more oppressive. There is certainly social strife in many Euro-nations, which are far more mono-racial than we are.

Racial amalgamation is the American Final Solution to the problem of racism. Once everyone is a little bit of everyone else, the problem will go away faster.

They wont stay multi-cultural. Assimilation is inevitable. There isnt any way to avoid it. I dont know that I have ever seen an example of an immigrant family that has managed to stay un-assimilated for more than 3 generations.

This is what terrifies foreign extremists. This is why they favor repressive governments. This is why they hate us so much. They know full well that if their people are given a free choice, they will choose the American way over their own way. If they cannot prevent American assimilation even in their own countries, what possible chance to their people have to resist assimilation domestically?

Without exception every single one of them was inferior to us in every way that matters. Especially morally. That is why they are not analogous.

Balkanization occurs in many of the lower cultures because they do not treat their immigrants as true equals. America does not make that mistake. It is one of the many ways in which our culture is superior to theirs.

If being white was sufficient, Europe should be far ahead of us by now. Yet they orbit in our shadow. They are far more white than us yet they are inferior to us.

The American Nation is not only white. Our diversity is part of the reason we are superior to every other culture that has ever existed. Even the "white" cultures of Europe that spawned us. We are an amalgam of the entire human race. Our "whole" is greater than their "parts".

The Soviet Union was a lower culture. We do not make the same mistakes that they made. People are actually free here.

 

That was an excellent argument, even though I do not agree with it.

But surely you must admit that all the racial diversity in the USA is creating serious tensions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots
http://www.vdare.com/articles/in-los-angeles-hispanic-gangs-ethnically-cleansing-black-neighborhoods
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/220107mexicangangs.htm

 

In California there hasn't been assimilation of the illegals from Mexico and Cental America. Instead, they have created a parallel society.

I've watched this phenomenon for three generations. They come as illegals, work hard, stay ignorant, and raise gangbangers who are equally ignorant. Then the gangbangers raise another generation of gangbangers.

 

What is the alternative? All of the alternatives I have seen are worse.

A mono-racial population is hardly a guarantee of harmony. We can see this in any number of other nations right now (even white nations). And these "tensions" are temporary at best, for the reasons I have explained above. I have far more in common with black Americans than I do with white foreigners.

 

A multi-racial nation based on unity through assimilation works because people share identity and consciousness.

A mult-cultural nation fails because its divisions preclude shared identity and consciousness.

Assimilation and multi-culturalism are mutually exclusive.

 

That is more of a socio-economic issue. Third generation gang bangers are not Mexican anymore. They are American. They may be violent criminals, but they are Americanized criminals.

 

However, stirring up and continually pointing out differences does not decrease the tensions. It just riles people up.

 

And that is what occurs here.

I agree, but that is mostly a semantic argument. Most people who engage in these debates assume both terms mean the same thing. I did it as well. When they say "multi-cultural" they mean "melting pot"...which is assimilation.

The nations where balkanization occurs do not treat their immigrants as equals. That has been my observation. They treat them as "guests" (or some other euphemism), with the implication that they are subordinate to the "real" native population.

That does not happen in America. We treat immigrants as fully equal. The only real exception is when it comes to higher offices like the President...but even then, their offspring are immediately eligible for those as well. Obama is an obvious example of that.

 

Most of the people advocating for "multiculturalism" and "diversity" are upper middle class whites, or those in academia, that are living sheltered existences.

These people need to go out and find out what life is actually like in the impoverished inner cities where most of the minorities actually live!

Living "side by side with different races" is far easier for those with more money, for a plethora of reasons. Lower income people live in much more crowded living conditions, meaning closer proximity to people of other ethnicities. A black family playing loud music is much less problematic in a middle class community than it is in an overcrowded apartment complex.
The middle class communities also do not see the racially-motivated thefts, assaults, and shootings, which are common place in the poor areas.

 

Third generation gangbangers may not be mexican any more, but they clearly aren't American except in a very technical, legal sense. They are neither fish nor fowl. They are nothing.

 

Assimilation isn't the model in America any more. Gangbangers are not assimilated.

I live with these folks. They are in no way assimilated. They are sui generis. They are ignorant and violent.

 

Gang bangers are hardly the only immigrants we have. The vast majority of immigrants I have met are not gang bangers.

How many upper class and wealthy minorities have become gang bangers after moving here? I mean, if this is really a race issue, then income should not matter right?

 

If the bankers on Wall Street had set out to destroy U.S. national sovereignty, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. The oligarchy of bankers, multinational corporations and corrupt politicians has destroyed our once great nation. Here is how:

1. Turn America into a multicultural country. Taxpayers are subsidizing illegal aliens in the amount of $345 billion per year. Earned income tax credits, free medical care (mandated by the politicians in Washington), trying to teach kids in school who can't read or speak English, and paying for births to illegal alien moms are bankrupting our nation.

2. Encourage illegal aliens to maintain their own culture, unlike past generations of Europeans who assimilated.

3. Keep the new Hispanic immigrants uneducated. Don't encourage the new arrivals to learn our national language. English is the language of business worldwide. Immigrants who can't communicate are relegated to low-income jobs.

4. Encourage tax-free foundations and multinational corporations to fund La Raza to undermine Western culture. Its good for CEOs to employ cheap labor. This makes poor immigrants thankful to have a job and vote for the candidates of the two major parties.

5. Encourage diversity. Instead of assimilation, keep us divided.

6. Finally, promote "political correctness." Destroy the First Amendment rights to criticize newly arrived foreigners.

Political Correctness, originally known as the Cultural Marxism, with its attack on free speech and demand for diversity and tolerance over everything except individuals and ideologies that are deemed ‘intolerant,’ is the beginning of the process of transforming a free nation into a Marxist state.

 

We're not talking about legal Chinese immigrants or legal Indian immigrants who come here for education and opportunity.

We're talking about illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America. They compose the largest group. They are not immigrants. They are settlers and colonists who have moved into the US on a wholesale basis. They bring their poverty and ignorance with them.

These folks from Mexico and Central America have changed my life in tangible and negative ways. The best people from Latin America are not coming to America. Latin America is sending its poverty and ignorance to America. That's why large parts of California are now part of the third world.

 

Great post. It says it all.

 

Sadistic Savior is correct. Assimilation is the path of America's future, as its always been. He is also correct that our superior American culture has allowed this multiracial country to avoid the inter-ethnic strife that has rocked other countries. Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, and Asians are all intermixing and intermingling together with the white majority. This is possible because of our country's history, and the fact that the Western Hemisphere has been a multiracial society for over 500 years.

If you doubt this, just look at what occurred at the turn of the 19th century with European immigrants pouring into the country from Southern and Eastern Europe. Those groups experienced widespread discrimination and racial intolerance. Now Russian, Italian, Irish, German, and Polish Americans are all considered one "race" of people in U.S. That simply isn't the case in Europe where old rivalries and ethnic strife still divide "white people" along tribal lines.

 

Exactly. Assimilation is happening. Mexicans are assimilating. The thing is, assimilation also changes the basic culture (and it always has). I sometimes talk with my father-in-law (age 7 about it. He remembers when pizza first came to the U.S. Now it's as American as apple pie. The same thing is happening with tacos, for example.

 

Anders Hoveland:

Our country is all about diversity.. and always has been.

There was a time when Jews, the Italians, the Irish and the Greeks were NOT considered "white people".. and they brought their music, food, language and culture with them.

Just like Africans brought aspects of their culture, food, music etc to America.

 

You, Hanzu and Pochahontas have it all wrong. Diversity is all good if the participants assimilate. But a major problem with the holes in our immigration policies have to do with the fact that not all these people want to assimilate the America way.

My contention is that the majority of blacks in our society refuse to assimilate, thus the reason why we have a perpetual racial divide in America, as well as a high crime rate. The only group of newer immigrants willing to work hard and assimilate (like our European ancestors of the late 19th and early 20th centuries are the Orientals and the Europeans.

This diversity you speak of is code for multiculturalism, which is of itself a death knell for America's survial.

 

You know, Ben Franklin complained that the Pennsylvania Germans didn't want to assimilate. There were major riots in the mid-19th century because people claimed the immigrants at that time didn't want to assimilate. Guess what? All those groups assimilated, the thing is, in the middle of the assimilation, it's hard to see it.

 

I would ask you this:

How assimilated is assimilated? I don't think we're a collective organism and simply saying assimilate isn't good enough.

What about if I'm not Christian? (probably 80% of the US population is nominal Christian)

What about if I don't watch American TV?

What books must I read to get the American mindset?

Am I an American if I don't speak English?

What about if I'm a racist? (insert any race you like here)

What about if I think that the Constitution is flawed?

What if I hate football?

What if I hate baseball?

It's easy to throw assimlation out as a solution, but I think we're trying to nail jelly to a tree here, unless we get a good grasp of what it means to be American. Culture is hard to define, but without a definition, it's not reasonable to say that assimilation is a real solution. We don't know what that solution looks like.

 

Is that why Black immigrants tend to be more successful than American blacks? Blacks are assimilated culturally that have lived here for generations, sounds more like you just don't like some of the subcultures or urban cultures.


The only group of newer immigrants willing to work hard and assimilate (like our European ancestors of the late 19th and early 20th centuries are the Orientals and the Europeans.

Right like the Italian gangsters, they wanted to assimilate just like Mexican gangsters. I think you need to look deeper into the situation as you sound very biased and grossly over simplifying the issue not to mention your history is missing some things.

Ding ding ding w have a winner. Culture is organic and fluid and ever changing. You can't just become an American in the cultural sense.To even require that would make no sense.The culture of today is not the same it was generations ago, and won't be the same generations from now. Not to mention cultures bleed and affect each other depending on geography, economics, demographics, etc, etc.

 

Earlier generations of immigrants were pressured into assimilating. There is no pressure on illegal aliens to assimilate. Multi-culturalism has ended all pressure to assimilate.

 

ALL have assimilated.. Chinese, Japanese, Irish, Italians, Greeks.. all of them.