The new fascism

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  1. kilgram

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    Every day that passes and I am in this foum, more fear I am having from the "conservative" ideology. Every days that passes this ideology remembers me to a new form of covered fascism.

    Intolerance, xenophoby, racism, corpocracy, abolition of the welfare state, but this new fascism appears in a more destructive form than the old fascism, the classic one. Because at least the old one had some welfare state, this new fascism and also very religious wants to abolish the welfare state, creating a new state where the rich rules, and the poor become a new kind of slave.

    This new kind of slave, it has the problem that even exists in worse conditions than the classic slavery, because the master had to provide them something to feed and clothes. Something that the new slaves, formerly known as workers, have to provide themselves all these things, with the pay that are giving his masters.

    Also this new slaves have "more freedom", because they can choose their master. Ooo, so they are free. Yeah.

    Conservative people are even worse than fascists. In Spain, to find someone with similar ideals to the American COnservative we have to find them in the fascist parties, like National Democracy, Falange de las JONS, Spain 2000, and parties like that of extreme right.

    And even sometimes the members of that parties are even more progressist than the American conservatives.
     
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    the daily Controversial New Member

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    This is not Spain, this is the United States of America, Only conservatives support capitalism? because that is what you seem to be hinting at. Liberals do not work, and "choose their masters"? Liberals do not own businesses? You are a little misguided where you think the general conservative population is headed. Most conservatives want to lower taxes supporting the working man allowing him to spend or save his money rather than give it to big government. I hope you realize that the majority of the problem is American factional-ism itself. The political rivalries have become more important than what it best for our country and the people who live here.
     
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    I didn't talk exactly about capitalism. And yes liberals are capitalists, and I don't like them at all, but they aren't so dangerous as conservative.

    I'm not misguided. I know what conservatives want. And my attack was exactly to that they want, lower taxes and less spending from the government, meaning cuts in welfare. And obviously it leads to more power of the corporations. You've showed exactly to what I was refering.

    Also many conservative want some kind of teocracy, so again it shows that for me aren't anything that a new form of fascism.

    Maybe in America there is some kind of strong rivalries, and it isn't good, yes. But also there are ideologies more harmful than others. And conservatism is for a new fascism.
     
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    Liberals are capitalists? When did these lib/capitalists leave their progressive/socialist ideologies and economic preferences to become a part of the American capitalist system?

    You have no clue as to what Conservatives want or for what they strive to accomplish in their lives. Power to corporations is such a load of bullcrap.

    Please be specific when you say we want a Theocracy. Another load of bullcrap.


    Conservatism is the direct opposite of fascism and I've told you before to read the book "Liberal Fascism" so as to get yourself updated on the facts.
     
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    I agree. The right in this nation is going nuts. They really seem to be going in a crazy the-fascist direction. I doubt anything real bad will come of it but still its pretty sickening.
     
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    Yes cut welfare and boost corporations AND small business to create jobs, eliminating the need for welfare, welfare is one big flaw, it is to easy to take advantage of. It should be streamlined, refocused, and renamed.
     
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    Another one that is giving me reason. Thanks. Yes a corpocracy, it is the basis of fascism.
     
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    Allow me to pose a question, why is it OK to support communism/socialism and oh so wrong to support Fascism? Socialism and Communism has killed more people than Fascism ever did.
     
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    Kilgram, a post of mine got "edited" by a moderator because I called someone a "neo-fascist".

    Unbelievable.
     
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    Well... you told it directly to someone. But I am sure that it was a definition. It was a fact.

    I've seen here many neo-fascists.
     
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    Because fascism is an evil ideology. Is a ideology that usually is based in this principles:

    - Xenophoby
    - Racism
    - Ultranationalism
    - Ultrareligious
    - Homophobic
    - "Machista"

    Well, it has all the things that advanced societies try to reduce because are bad. Are completely totalitarian and goes against freedom.

    While "authoritarian communism" has done a lot of bad. Their ideas are all the contrary to that, in theory are what everybody would like to get. Freedom, equality,...
     
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    Kilgram, don't go all "soft" on me.

    It doesn't matter if I said it directly, or not. A neo-fascist is a neo-fascist. Their is nothing insulting about it. Fact is fact.

    (mostly American) Conservatives = Neo-Fascists
     
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    The Fascist regimes could have still been fascist without the genocide. Just as Communism could have been communist without the genocide. Hitler wanted to get rid of religion. He started with the Jews because they had been the scapegoats for the past 500 or so years. Any Communist country you look at is ultranationalist. I will say again for the homophobic reason that Fascism would have been fascism without the genocides just as Communism and Socialism would have been Communism and Socialism without the genocides.
     
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    Yeah, but fascism is inherently evil.

    Fascism for definition is authoritarian and totalitarian. While communism/socialism should be libertarian. Although the interpretations of this system have been totalitarian.
     
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    Some of the conservatives on this board are particularly extreme. I live in a very conservative area and most of of my extended and immediate family are conservatives, and they aren't anything like some of the ones on this board.

    Maybe it's the anonymity.
     
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    Can I get your description of extreme? Would it be extreme to want to have less government forcing us to do things we wouldn't normally do? Would it be extreme in not wanting to pay high taxes with no return on our money? Would it be extreme to get the poor to work for a living by first getting off the govt dole? Would it be extreme to want to see the less regulations and less taxes on our small businesses so that they can produce goods, make capital and hire workers?
     
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    speedingtime Banned at Members Request

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    I'm referring to how the message is gotten across, mostly.
     
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    Okay, I see your point. Whatever way the liberal media gets the point across--such as calling Tea Partiers racists will have to suffice.
     
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    I really couldn't care less what the "liberal media" says. I don't know why you choose to bring it up.
     
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    Did you just not say that you were concerned with the way the message gets across? I'm just telling you the way it is.
     
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    Yes, that would be extreme because one of the primary roles of government is to exert force where necessary to make people stop behaving in ways that they might think of as "normal" but which cause harm to others or otherwise endanger the public health, or safety, or peace.

    Yes, that would be extreme since one of the primary purposes of government is to mobilize resources for the benefit of all people, not just for the direct benefit of those who pay the most taxes.

    Yes, that would be extreme since the government has a remit to "promote the general welfare" which includes insuring that the poor are not generally reduced to homeless begging on the streets or forced into low paying employment that requires them to seek public and private charity to make ends meet.

    Yes, that would be extreme when you consider that government regulation is entirely reactionary, the result of public clamor to rein in the depredations and malfeasance of business operators who endanger public safety and health, cheat the people, and disregard the public welfare in their single minded pursuit of personal gain. It is extreme to expect that this behavior has changed or that businesses should pay less taxes when it costs so much for the government to keep them from endangering the public and mitigate the damage they have wrought.
     
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    It's a matter of POV, now isn't it?

    I think the liberals are the ones going nuts and turning Marxist. Denying reality that the govt can't fix and pay for everything.

    I accuse the progressives here and now of liberal tyranny. So there !!
     
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    Tyranny is leave to starving people to die. Tyranny is leave that people can't pay healthcare don't receive any treatment, mainly preventive.

    Tyranny is support stronger immigration laws that are closer to absolute tiranny and totalitarism.

    Tyranny is support that people depending their sexual condition have more or less rights.

    Tiranny is remove rights of the women to decide what to do with their bodies, mainly when there is a menace for her life.

    There isn't logical tyranny in marxism, there is no logical tiranny in want that people have better life. It depends in how authoritarian/totalitarian wants to implement that, but in principle there isn't.

    In all what I previously mentioned there is tiranny just in the idea. That is the difference between this new fascism disguissed as conservatism.
     
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    How does lower taxes and smaller government lead to authoritarian nationalism?

    Do you know what fascist is? The only reason the big-government liberals aren't fascist is because they aren't nationalists. What you're afraid of and why you're afraid seem to be two different things. You're afraid of libertarians, because you think they are fascist. In reality libertarians are the exact opposite of fascist, and corporatism.

    You are mixing the word corporatism for fascism, I think. Which is not promoted by libertarianism. Corporatism needs the state on it's side, libertarians say get the state off anyone's side unless for their natural rights: body mind and property.

    The *only* difference between a libertarian ideology and a socialist ideology, really is the removal of welfare. Which is not a right, and it keeps poor people poor more than it benefits them. Which is the opposite of what you're saying, I have no idea how you get that welfare brings people up from poverty, and the removal of welfare stops them in their tracks. Everyone gets paid more when the rich are taxed less, because for every laborer you have you need an investor paying him. The more money the investors have, the more laborers they can hire, and the more return they get on their investment. Everybody wins.
     
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    Kilgram, honey, nothing personal, but if you're gonna reference tyranny nine times, please just spell it right so you don't look ignorant.

    I get your point about compassion. The right isn't fascist; that's just silly.
    We just think the left overdoes it to the tune of massive wasteful spending and fraud, and that private charities and churches' contributions to society are debased in favor of the nanny state.
     

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