This Could End The Catholic Church

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  1. kmisho

    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    Maybe not totally end it. There will always be die-hards. But it could lead to the dismantling of The Vatican.

    There is a real question about the standing of the plaintiffs, but I hope the World Court will investigate.

    Int'l Criminal Court urged to investigate Vatican officials


    I popped into Google the phrase "Catholic news" and came up with a good half dozen sites. Not one of them even mentioned this...yet. Are they waiting for instruction from on high about the way they're supposed to spin this story?

    Look at the most recent posted comment from the NPR article.

    First, I don't believe they're "doing a lot to deal with the situation." What are they doing? I haven't heard anything. Are they turning over en masse abusers as well as those who aided and abetted them to the police? I would've heard about that. Second, even if he's right (which I don't believe), it's irrelevant. SO MUCH evidence has come to light that I think it's hard to doubt the rationale behind the filing that the abuse is endemic, systemic and reactions to it have been obstructionist.

    Then you have no point as this is blindingly irrelevant. First, it's an example of the tu quoque fallacy. "Those other guys are evil too and no one does anything about that." This is not an argument that what the Catholic church has done should not be prosecuted. Second, if Jeff Dahmer said, "Ted Bundy killed twice as many people as me" would that get him off the hook? NO.
    Are there specific organizations that support this and, when discovered, cover it up? This is the difference. In the Catholic church, the occurence and cover-up of widespread abuse is organized and systematic.
    More irrelevancy. Does not signing the treaty mean no crime was commited?

    This guy just doesnt' get it! He thinks a few fallacies can excuse global systematic abuse and attempts to cover it up. In a sense, he is just like the priests, and Pope himself, who are more interested in evasions and self-protection than anything else. It's attitudes like his that allowed this situation to get to where it is.
     
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    Neutral New Member Past Donor

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    Oh, I bet the Catholic Church is automatically doomed because someone sues them?

    Isn't that what we have courts for? To ACTUALLY determine guilt?

    Good to see atheists, when the church is involved, will circumvent the entire constitutional process, which ostensibly the church is a threat to, in order to charge guilt staright off the bat?

    I am sure teh church won't defend itself, and neither will the members of the Catholic church.
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you want people to respond to in this thread?
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is the thread asking? Sexual abuse is bad...covering up sexual abuse is bad...this is news?
     
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    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Why respond in any way to a thread that is obviously a flame-bait?
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    I thought you were going to suggest turning all the Priests and Bishops and so forth all the way up to the Pope into eunuchs.
     
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    Roman emperors, British kings, and the Communists tried to end the Catholic Church and failed. I think the Catholic Church will survive this.
     
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    FreeWare Active Member Past Donor

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    Indeed, I think the Catholic Church will survive even this attempt to bring itself down.

    The Vatican will eventually turn into a museum, though.
     
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    Relax. 10 minutes ago the catholic church died. Enjoy this feeling. It's over now. Your burden is light.

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    How does the constitution of the US apply to the Vatican?

    Do you realize the Vatican is not in the US?
     
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    I hope it does end the idiocy of the Catholic Church and the infantile, Neanderthal believes of ALL religions, including the increasingly aggressive, suicide loving Muslim religion.
     
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    If you're going to mock other people's "infantile Neaderthals believes" you should learn how to spell first.
     
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    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    Do you think the Catholic hierarchy deserves a lethal dose of humility?
     
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    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    I agree with this theoretically. But this case has reached the point where the Pope should just turn himself in and plea guilty. This happens a lot you know.

    Do you mean this in a good way or a bad way? Are you saying they will not defend themselves because they know the church is guilty or because the case is technically invalid?
     
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    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    The grammar nazi's getting all moral on us. I shiver in my boots.
     
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    kmisho New Member Past Donor

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    The truths therein are declared to be self-evident and endowed by the creator. Assuming the truth of this, they must apply to all.
     
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    First: The homo neanderthaliensis was a very intelligent human species. The eldest flute is from an homo neanderthaliensis. This shows a soft, dreamful and gentle character. Do you play an instrument? Second: How do you like to destroy the religions "atheism" and/or "empty phrase farmingism"? Third: Someone who lives not in fear to loose his life is indeed a mightful weapon.

    http://youtu.be/Cszkf7Z4b8s
     
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    I don't assume that is true.

    Why do you?
     
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe it has been delivered though what would be the point of being 'lethal?' --ie, what good would the humility be to something "dead.".


    The scandal reminds me (sort of) like how Peter assumed he would never deny Christ and then did it 3 times that very evening.

    Humility is a hard and bitter pill.



    Is there more to the thread?
     
  20. diligent

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    I think you need a new pair of spectacles so YOU can spell properly, as my spelling of Neanderthal is correct. I would suggest that you are the one in need of a spelling lesson. I would be very happy to recommend an eye specialist, but what you really need is an eye opener to the ravages committed in the name of religion over many centuries. And they are still being commited in this century in the name of Allah, or whatever you want to call him. Yes, the same person that 'ravaged' an underage girl!
     
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    I would politely suggest that no one can loose their life. But someone can lead a 'loose' (however defined) life or 'lose' a pair of keys.

    The number of Neanderthals on this planet were extremely small in number and were eventually overtaken by a more sophisticated species called Homo Sapiens.
     
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    Matthew 16:18
    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    The Church has weathered much more than this. Even the Moores taking over half of Europe and sacking Constantinople did not prove to be the undoing of the Catholic Church. The International Court has no jurisdiction in the Vatican.
     
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    All institutions built on BS will fall eventually - the church will be no different.
     
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    Any institution that allows and hides the predatory sexual abuse of children by its priest is totally corrupt. And corrupt institutions eventually wither and die.
     
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    A court system cannot end a belief system.
     

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