'Hamas ready for peace talks with Israel'

'Hamas ready for peace talks with Israel'

BUT ISRAEL WON'T AGREE.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4062868,00.html


While Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday continued to warn of the threats behind the Palestinian factions' reconciliation, one of the mediators in the Hamas-Fatah unity talks expressed surprising optimism.



Palestinian businessman and billionaire Munib al-Masri, who was one of the mediators in the reconciliation talks between Hamas and Fatah, told Ynet that Hamas would be willing to negotiate a peace deal with Israel, based on the 1967 borders.



Peace Talks


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"During conversations I had with Khaled Mashal and Mousa Abu Marzook, they said that they want to establish a strong government that can achieve a comprehensive peace based on 1967 border," said al-Masri, who has been named as a candidate to head the new government.




Al-Masri, second from right (Photo: Elior Levy)



When asked to clarify Hamas' intentions, al-Masri stressed the Islamic faction does not refer to a "hudna" – a long-term ceasefire that has already been discussed in the past – but rather a comprehensive agreement. However, he did not mention the issue of recognizing Israel.



Inside Palestinian halls of power, al-Masri is considered a plausible candidate to head the interim "technocrats' government" both by Hamas and Fatah, and is regarded as an distinguished and independent figure in the Palestinian Authority.




When asked if he would accept the position, al-Masri replied, "I am an old man and there are younger people who can do it," but added that if both sides asked him to assume the role – he will not say no.



The Palestinian billionaire noted that he supports the re-nomination of Salam Fayyad as prime minister. "I hope it happens," al-Masri said, but noted that Hamas would have to also support to move.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4062868,00.html


CHEERS.

 

OK so Israel wants to be recognized? Sounds like a fair qualifier.

Something Hamas has never agreed to before.

Is Hamas agreeing to permanent conditions in these "peace talks" for a two state solution?

Hamas also has never agreed to this.

 

kind of like the international community has never agreed to israel taking over jeruselem.

and the proof is israel calls jeruselem its capital and the world global powers will not put an embassey there.

not even the US

 

The problems lie on Israeli side of the fence.
THEY are also the ones who break truces and agreements. They are not angels at all.


An Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said foreign ministry Director General Rafi Barak told Egyptian envoy Yasser Reda that treaties must be honoured to the letter.

This is a joke coming from them as THEY are the ones to violate airspace and in 10 years they have killed 50 Egyptians on OUR side of the border.!!!!!

How can they dare to say this to Hamas when they are the culprits time and time again involving Egypt and Lebanon and Gaza.

The question is can Hamas trust the Israelis who lie?, but the real issue is the Israelis now know the sinking ship is up to the lower decks now and they are grabbing lifeboats and anything they can to stay afloat!!

For a change it is not the Israel brat child dictating to the world.

 

Sorry boss..Hamas' history of rhetoric speaks for itself.

No permanent two state solution, no permanent Israel.

 

Nice, guess they will fully disarm and allow inspections in?

 

Let's all take a look inside Dimona.

 

so the world can finally observe israels nuclear arsenal?


cool

 

Hamas inviting the Israelis to talk is like Colonel Sanders inviting the chickens to lunch.

 

Hmm...has Hamas dished it's charter that calls for the destruction of Israel and the subjugation of the world under Islam? Has it renounced jihad, both violent and non-violent, against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel and with respect to all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world? Indeed, has it renounced Islam?

In any event, if Hamas hasn't done those things, then please explain why should Israel or anyone else for that matter negotiate with Hamas, much less Muslims that are obligated per the dictates of Islam to deceive non-Muslims in order to eventually make Islam supreme? Indeed, unless Hamas denounces Islam, anyone dumb enough to negotiate with them deserve what they get.

 

As long as Hamas has, in its own charter, the elimination of Israel as its stated goal, why should anyone reason with them?

 

Just wondering why should a holocaust denier like you have any credibility when it comes to discussing Israel or Jews for that matter?

 

DARN! I thought you were going to put the blame on your fellow members of the ummah. I really did.

 

Why? Jews aren't Muslims? Only Muslims, per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam, are obligated to fight jihad against non-Muslim unbelievers in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme, and no the sixth and most important pillar of Islam does not give a free pass or an exemption to so-called "moderate Muslims" with respect to fighting jihad in the cause of Allah.

 

The sixth pillar is YOUR BS.. but one thing is abundantly clear.. You guys are too cowardly to even support peace in Palestine.

 

Why are you concerned about Jews having a nuclear arsenal? Are you afraid that they will nuke you because you are a holocaust denier and use this forum to spread your unhinged hate screed?

 

Not really. Indeed, the Noble Koran published in Saudi Arabia by the “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an, Madinah, K.S.A,” who everyone and their brothers on this forum know already you idolize states with respect to surah 2:190: “Al-Jihad (holy fighting) in Allah’s Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). Allah’s Word is made superior, (His Word being Lailaha illallah which means none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.”

Notice it says, none has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Indeed, that doesn't seem too compromising to me.

In addition, notice the sixth and most important pillar of Islam says, “Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim.” Indeed, it doesn't say that jihad is an obligatory duty only for extremists or an obligatory duty only for radicals, while at the same time giving so-called moderate Muslims an exemption and free pass from fighting jihad in the cause of Allah. Instead, it plainly states that jihad is an obligatory duty for ALL MUSLIMS. No exceptions!

Hence, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are jihadists. A few are violent jihadists, while most are non-violent jihadists, and the ones that aren't jihadists are not Muslims at all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

With all due respect, as you have seen Muslims are obligated per the sixth and most important of Islam to fight jihad in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme. Hence, you'd have to be severely mentally incompetent to believe that Muslims would legitimately make peace with Jewish unbelievers in Israel, not Palestine, much less any other non-Muslim unbelievers anywhere in the world. I'm sorry but Muslims can't be compromised with, they can only be defeated.

 

The cause of Allah is that men know the God of Abraham.

You are struggling to make is complicated and sinister.

There is going to be some peace agreement in Palestine and you haters are going to be sooooooooooo disappointed.

 

I think it's called the Peace of the Grave.

 

If there ever is a true peace agreement in Palestine with Jewish Israel still on the map it's your buddies Marlowe, moon, zulu, iolo and a few others who will need to be put on suicide watch. They don't want peace, they could not care less about the Palestinians, they want no Israel and nothing short of it will satisfy their hatred.

 

Hamas is without a doubt a terrorist organization but they do represent Palestinians so have to be negotiated with. There are many examples of negotiated ends to terrorist movements so anything is possible if both sides are flexible.

 

Of course they want peace.. If you had family living in Palestine, don't you think they deserve peace after 60 years of theft and carnage?

Consider for a moment.. that people who love God also love justice.. There is just no getting around that.

Hitler told lies NON STOP, demonized the Jews and promoted hate...

Is that what you want to do?

 

You mean sort of like Muhammad's famous 10 year Treaty of Hudaybiyyah with the Quraisha Tribe of Mecca, Muhammad's own tribe, which Muhammad violated just 2 years later after he had gained the military strength to defeat the Quraisha Tribe, and also the very same treaty that today all Muslims now use as a model for all treaties and agreements that Muslims make with non-Muslim unbelievers that are to be violated as soon as the Muslims regain the upper hand in emulation of Muhammad, the uswa hasanna, the perfect example of conduct and the supreme model of emulation. Yeah right.

 

The outline of the treaty was as follows:

In the name of almighty Allah. These are the conditions of Peace between Muhammad, son of Abdullah and Suhayl ibn Amr the envoy of Mecca. There will be no fighting for ten years. Anyone who wishes to join Muhammad and to enter into any agreement with him is free to do so.

Anyone who wishes to join the Quraish and to enter into any agreement with them is free to do so. A young man, or one whose father is alive, if he goes to Muhammad (saw) without permission from his father or guardian, will be returned to his father or guardian.

But if anyone goes to the Quraish, he will not be returned. This year the muslims will go back without entering Mecca. But next year Muhammed (saw) and his followers can enter Mecca, spend three days, perform the tawaaf.

During these three days the Quraish will withdraw to the surrounding hills. When Muhammad (saw) and his followers enter into Mecca, they will be unarmed except for sheathed swords.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah

 

That's hilarious. Actually the cause of Allah is to make Islam supreme in the world.

There has never been any permanent treaty ever made between Muslims and unbelievers. All of them were eventually broken in time by Muslims in emulation of Muhammad's famous 10 year Treaty of Hudaybiyyah with the Quraisha Tribe that Muhammad broke just 2 years later when he had military gained the upper hand, and in which now serves as a model for all treaties and agreements Muslims make with non-Muslim unbelievers in emulation of Muhammad, the uswa hasanna, the perfect example of conduct and the supreme model of emulation. In fact, all such treaties and agreements made with non-Muslim unbelievers are called Hudnas and only last until Muslims believe they have regained the upper hand.