That's that then. The Israeli courts have determined that Israelis can be any bloody religion they like. The dream of ' jewish exclusivity ' is in tatters, shredded by an intelligent judiciary. Would all those currently squealing for a ' jewish State ' now accept that it's an impossibility- notwithstanding the fact that 25% of Israelis are arabs . You can't force people to be jews. You can't even force jews to be jews if they don't want to be. Officially, and by court ruling, there can be no ' jewish State '. Israel is a homeland for jews and arabs, as it should be . Zionism has lost its figleaf.
They don't have 25% non-muslim populations. 25% of Israeli citizens are non-jewish Palestinians. I have a feeling that this overwhelming argument will not affect your disastrous pro-Zionist course.
You can say Israel is a jewish state with non-jewish minorities. It's OK to say that, we already know, that's how it was defined by the UN partition resolution in 1948. It's not racist or discriminatory either, after all we have these UN member states in good standing: Islamic Republic of Afghanistan Islamic Republic of Iran Islamic Republic of Mauritania Islamic Republic of Pakistan Arab republic of Egypt Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic Syrian Arab Republic United Arab Emirates
The above were formulated on a consensual basis...By logical extension, therefore, their respective demographic compositions overwelmingly represent their respective populations.
blah blah blah, cut the cr&p or you will twist yourself into a pretzel once again. There is nothing wrong with 'Arab republic of Egypt' as long as non-Arab citizens are not discriminated (they are). There is nothing wrong with "Islamic republic of Iran" as long as religious minorities have equal rights (they don't). And there is certainly nothing wrong with jewish democratic Israel as long as non-Jewish ethnic and religious minorities continue to enjoy equal rights and liberties.
BO-Rat, LET's see if you can understand this, it a bit complicated , but I'll do my best explaining it to you. While most of us know that Islam is a religion and Arab mainly means people who speak Arabic , its not quite as clear with people who call themselves "JEWS" issit ? While I've met many non-observent Jews who say they;re Atheist , + I gather most pork eating non-observent Isrels are , I've not yet met an Atheist Muslim. Most of my Palestinians friends (arabs ) are Christians. Israel claims to be a democracy , while NON of the countries you've mentioned makes such extravagant claims. IMO - If the Zionist state of Israel wish to describe itself as a "Jewish State" then it should be governed according to Judaism + Judaic laws , dont you agree ? At the moment it seems be neither a Jewish state nor a democracy . However dont you think calling itself THe Democratic State of Israel - would sound better , provided of course it was also a genuine democracy , which allows non-Jews the sasme rights as Jews - including marriage/residence/immigration , etc.etc . All Jews do not speak the same , language nore do all observe Judaism. SO, WHAT IS A JEW ? . Who is a Jew ? a half /quarter / 1/20th - Is an Australian Abo convert a Jew , there by entitled to migrate to Israel and live in a Jewish Colony on Palestine's West Bank ? .... ..........
1. for someone obsessed with Jews and Israel claiming not to understand who Jews are is truly hilarious (but not surprising). The definition is quite well-known and unambiguous, you are a jew if your mother is a jew regardless of your faith (99.9% of jews) or if you convert to Judaism (0.1%). 2. Given that Jews are mostly an ethnicity (just like the French or Italians) a Jewish state does not need to be governed according to Judaism any more than France or Italy need to be governed by Christian laws.
that is what idiots believe jewish is a religious designation, morons consider jew different than 'human beings'. The human species is "human being".............. jew is just a religious adherant. how many ethnics are there from a state that was just born in 48'? The courts just claimed an israelis can be an israelis and 'without religion' My point, is your opinion is ignorant to reality and that old line of thinking is dying. Israel trying to be a jewish state, with so many within the state not of jewish beliefs, ethnicity, or bloodlines of some subspecies called jew.......... is what is dying. it will be nice when the ignorant who hold onto them nazi style thoughts are extinct too.
BO-RAT - once again a simpleton tries fobbing us off with simply answers , however I find its much more complicated than that . For example , in recent yrs tens plus thousands of East Europeans (Khazar-Slavs ) have migrated to Israel whoes mothers ethnicities were dubious - but claiming some distant grandparent to have be Jewish. see Israel's immigration classifications . However , wiki paints a very different picture : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew? Then half way down see Israel's Law of Return . furher on American intermarriages offspring being part Jews - Mamzers , Crypto-Jews , Intermarriage with local Pueblo, Navajo and Apache Indigenous Peoples has undoubtedly occurred since the 16th century, so it would not be inaccurate to describe these Jews as racially or ethnically mixed "Native American Jews," or "Hispano-Indian Jews," though it is doubtful any, as yet, self-identify as such. Furthermore, there is not yet any scholarly work and therefore no consensus about the extent to which, if any, these individuals' physical resemblance trends more toward either the Indigenous Peoples of the region or classic or modern Sephardim, or if it generally lies somewhere in between. Amongst themselves, they still use (and presumably prefer) the term, "Sefarditas." etc,etc,etc ....... On the otherhand , there's also clear evidence that majority Ashkenim (The White Tribe ) stems fron Khazar-Slav mix . cheers. Its all just done to keep the the Gentiles confused , issit ? ....
. Bo-Rat posting dreck again - read Israel's marriage laws "there is no civil marriage in Israel. The Jewish religious regulations concerning mamzerim are thus also the national laws imposed on Jews living in Israel, including secular Jews. Because of the severe impediments to marriage which mamzer status accords in Jewish religious law, Israeli civil law has taken the position that the paternity of a child born within a marriage cannot legally be challenged in civil courts, in order to avoid creating a body of evidence that might be used to declare the child a mamzer, or create difficulties for a future marriage. btw - Being French or Italians are nationalities . One can be a French JewChristian/Muslim or wot. same with being an Italian Jew..etc or wot ? THINK . ....
Thinking... the fact that you have to specify "french jew" actually proves my point. The word 'French' has a dual meaning, it can be used to describe nationality or citizenship, it can also be used to describe ethnicity. In Israel's case the words are different, "jew" describes ethnicity and in rare cases religion, 'Israeli" indicates nationality and citizenship. The concept is still the same. France is a french (ethnically) state with full rights granted to non-french citizens, Israel is a jewish state with full rights granted to non-jewish and Non-Judaic citizens.
Oh please, the pathetic, anti-semitic Khazar myth has been debunked so many times (historically and genetically) that even arabs don't believe in it any more. Can't you goggle? Virtually all Israeli jews have the "middle eastern" gene.
So are the Muslim Israeli's the good guys? We all know them israelis aint the political ones and we all know they aint the ones persecuting palestinians. So the Muslim Israeli citizens must be real special. Heck, i think i would like to meet one!
there's only about 1.4 million of them to meet. You'll find that the vast majority don't want to be palestinians, they are more than happy to be Israelis. Yep, muslims in a jewish state. And amazingly, they live side by side in relative peace and equality. You clowns who claim Israel isn't a democracy when the ruling referred to in the OP could only be rendered by a democracy with rule of law is quite amusing. Then there's the clowns (they appear to be one and the same)that want to claim that Israel isn't the jewish nation, because some 25% of Israelis aren't jewish or that jewish is a religion and there's lots of "atheist" jews, which is correct because jewish can just as readily by an ethnicity as it can a religion. I realize these concepts are a tad too complex for the simple minds expressing such idiotic and spurious arguments. The palestinians don't need "friends" like you guys - its just more of the same ignorance, hatred, wet dreams and incompetance that has plagued the palestinians and most other arabs for centuries.
and the reason is the other 1.6 million are put into the concentration camp (gaza). otherwise, the wingnuts would be voted out of office funny..... i have seen israelis muslims sick and tired of being considered second class and even saw a video clip of a car with a jewish archeologist driving hit a muslim child and flip him into the air and no one took that pig who hit him to jail. iti aint a democracy, it is a theocracy But the OP shares even the judges are establishing the precedence to overcome the political garbage that some have come to buy hook line and sinker it aint supposed to be I mean, if americans knew that when they began funding the place, israel would not exist as it does today. no such thing as an atheist jew jew is a believer, not a race. An atheist jew is an oxymoron of terms and only a moron could suggest jew is a race or anything different than just another human being that believes in their god. there's that moron claim ............. again! the concept is a belief based on stupidity nature does not have an ethnicity of religious belief. beliefs are learned the ethnic people of palestine are arabs whether jewish, christian, muslim or even atheist. jew aint a race get over it. that garbage you keep trying to convey is a concept of the uneducated. It is what makes a bigot out of the idiot. All are equal and when you convey otherwise, you make yourself look like a fool.
So amuse yourself some more. There are plenty of examples of racist laws in Israel which have been passed through the Israeli ' democratic ' process - because the racist Israeli majority has voted them through. In that respect, yes, Israel is a democracy. It's known as ' a democracy for jews ' but in discussing the racist nature of the ' jewish exclusivity ' legislation you can easily describe it as ' a democracy for racists ' without even breaking step. The Israeli judiciary are not racists to a man, however. On occasions , certain judges - under certain conditions- upset the neoZionist power-base by ruling against racism , brutality and State banditry ( the judiciary and the State are not the same animal ) You can see this in the rulings against the separation barrier, in the rulings against the use of Palestinians as human shields and now in the ruling that the jewish religion is NOT mandatory in Israel. These rulings are NOT indicators of a healthy democratic Israeli society. They are indicators that there is a body of decent people in Israel who refuse to be bulldozed by Zionist fascism . To claim that their judgements elevate Israel because they overturn rampant neoZionist racist policies is a nonsense. The undemocratic, brutal and racist Israeli ' democracy for jews ' continues- albeit with a democratic terrier on its ankle.
Once again - you're ONLY PARTIALLY correct. But theres no dam comparison/similarity between Israel and any EU member countries, required to comply with Brussels regulations. - i.e. free movements of citizens and accessibility to full - NON -DISCRIMINATORY citizenship. Freedom to work and rent/buy properties in any member country. You've foolishly tried to deceive me with your simplistic definition of a Jew - saying " Which is ofcourse more complicated - which you've now apparently side stepped. The matrilinial rule seem to apply mainly amongst strict observent Jews - I'm not so sure abt most other psuedo/quasi - "Jews" and Yes - the eastern-european- Khazar-slav mix , with several (covert) SHIKSA Grand-great-grand Mothers. RE : Goggle ? Nah ! goggles (protective eyewear ) only when needed. The Khazar "myth" has only been "debunked " by Zionists politically motivated liars/hasbarist/apologists etc. . Genetically ? Hmmm. seems to be ONLY by Jewish genetists FUNDED by Israel/Pro-Israel-Zionists groups . I'm afraid there's also a load of crap BS - fraudulent "History " written + peddled by the same pro-Israel "Historians " only now and then a n extremely rare Jewish historian will be courageous enough to dare publish a few unpalatable facts about : The Invention of the Jewish People By Shlomo Sand --- a book I found most informative, disproving many of the lies I've been previously been told by comics like you. . [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844674223#reader_1844674223"]The Invention of the Jewish People: Amazon.co.uk: Shlomo Sand: Books[/ame] cheers.
Unless it is 100% Muslim whats the difference? What argument...they want their country, which is vastly Jewish, to be recognized as the homeland of the Jewish people and accepted as a permanent, sovereign state. Great Im glad the guy doesnt put Jewish on his ID. How does that change the big picture. What youre think here is groundbreaking precedent,is just filler. Im sure theres alot crap in Israeli law that should be wiped out....but that has little to do with peace with the Palestinians and relations with the world at large. What % of Jews was Palestine when the UN was calling for a Jewish state?
