American "freedom"

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  1. Richards

    Richards New Member

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    American “freedom”
    When the Soviet Union broke up, many republics of the Soviet Union (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Georgia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, etc.) became separate countries.

    By contrast, in the U.S., when the South tried to secede from the North in 1861, it brought on civil war—and it’s still true today that no American state can secede from “the union”.

    Doesn’t that mean that people in the former Soviet republics are freer than Americans in one of the most important senses—they are free to live in their own separate countries?

    But maybe modern America is different than America during the Civil War. Maybe if Vermont wanted to secede from the union and become its own separate country—figuring they can do things better, and a lot cheaper per capita, than the U.S. government, the U.S. government will say, “Well, okay, we’ll allow you to go, because that’s what freedom is all about”. And then, Vermont the country simply joins NATO, which protects them from invasion.

    How many states could do things better, and cheaper per capita, than the United States does them?
     
  2. Jack Ridley

    Jack Ridley New Member

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    Unless individuals are the ones seceding, then secession does not necessarily promote nor diminish freedom.
     
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    Oh, I dunno. Forty nine? (I'm excluding California for obvious reasons.)
     
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    "We must all hang together, or we will most certainly all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin

    Did that dynamic change suddenly?

    Any one individual State wouldn't stand a chance out there separated from the USA.

    Secession is a serious Pandora's Box of evils. Even though people may not think so, we are all totally and completely dependent on each other economically and are far stronger together than separate.

    For instance.. the States East of the Mississippi are absolutely completely dependent on the mineral wealth of the West in order to function. The factories could not function without that mineral wealth of the West. If secession were allowed, then what would happen to the States in the East if suddenly huge chunks of the West, under say a mass hispanic nationalist movement, broke free and became their own hostile nation that refused to trade with us?

    The Eastern States, in order to merely survive would have no choice to but to invade the Western ones and reconquer them, out of mere necessity just to survive!

    We are all co-dependent on each other to the point of inseparability without serious economic and social harm being done to everyone involved, seceding States and not.
     

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