Long Ties to Koch Brothers Key to Cain's Campaign

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    Long Ties to Koch Brothers Key to Cain's Campaign

    By Ryan J. Foley | Associated Press | Oct. 16, 2011

    You may want to know a little bit more about Herman Cain that he will not want you to know. His ties to the Koch Brothers, the Americans For Prosperity, AFP, a radical advocacy for lower taxes, less government regulation, and spending. Sound familiar yet? In the following article check to see who he has picked for his advisers and aides. Mr. Pizza Man is much more than a ‘businessman’; he is right up there with the Koch Brothers, and radical groups, has many advisers and aides that are AFP members. Folks, it looks like Cain is a well disguised wolf in pizza clothing, come to change America as he sought to change Wisconsin. You remember Wisconsin don’t you?

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    IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) – “Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain has cast himself as the outsider, the pizza magnate with real-world experience who will bring fresh ideas to the U.S. capital. But Cain's economic ideas, support and organization have close ties to two billionaire brothers who bankroll right-leaning causes through their group Americans for Prosperity.

    Cain's campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the nation's tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans.

    The once little-known businessman's political activities are getting fresh scrutiny these days since he soared to the top of some national polls of Republican voters.

    His links to the Koch brothers could undercut his outsider, non-political image among people who detest politics as usual and candidates connected with the party machine.

    AFP tapped Cain as the public face of its "Prosperity Expansion Project," and he traveled the country in 2005 and 2006 speaking to activists who were starting state-based AFP chapters from Wisconsin to Virginia. Through his AFP work he met Mark Block, a longtime Wisconsin Republican operative hired to lead that state's AFP chapter in 2005 as he rebounded from an earlier campaign scandal that derailed his career.

    Block and Cain sometimes traveled together as they built up AFP: Cain was the charismatic speaker preaching the ills of big government; Block was the operative helping with the nuts and bolts.

    When President Barack Obama's election helped spawn the tea party which advocates limited government and low taxes, Cain was positioned to take advantage. He became a draw at growing AFP-backed rallies, impressing activists with a mix of humor and hard-hitting rhetoric against Obama's stimulus, health care reform and budget policies.

    Block is now Cain's campaign manager. Other aides who had done AFP work were also brought on board.

    Cain's spokeswoman Ellen Carmichael, who recently left the campaign, was an AFP coordinator in Louisiana. His campaign's outside law firm is representing AFP in a case challenging Wisconsin campaign finance regulations. At least six other current and former paid employees and consultants for Cain's campaign have worked for AFP in various capacities.

    Cain has credited Rich Lowrie, a Cleveland businessman who served on AFP's board of advisors from 2005 to 2008, with being a key economic adviser and with helping to develop his "9-9-9" plan to cut the corporate tax rate to 9 percent, impose a national sales tax of 9 percent and set a flat income tax rate of 9 percent

    "He's got a national network now that perhaps he wouldn't have had 15 or 20 years ago because of his work with AFP," said Republican Party of Wisconsin Vice Chair Brian Schimming, who has introduced Cain at events in Wisconsin. "For a presidential candidate, that's obviously helpful to have."

    Cain's recent victories in non-binding straw polls in Florida and Minnesota highlight the importance of organizing supporters and Block, who has a deep network in the tea party, "gets that side of it," Schimming said.

    But Block has had his problems as well. He settled a lawsuit in 2001 accusing him of illegally coordinating a Wisconsin Supreme Court justice's re-election with an outside group. Block agreed to pay $15,000 and sit out of politics for three years.

    While Cain is quick to promote his career at the helm of the Godfather's Pizza chain, his ties to AFP aren't something the candidate appears eager to highlight.

    His campaign did not respond to inquiries seeking comment, and Cain does not include his AFP work on his biography on his website.
    But Cain continues to work with the group.”

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    “While several other candidates will be at an Iowa Republican Party dinner on Nov. 4, Cain is scheduled to be in Washington mingling with activists at AFP's annual "Defending the American Dream" summit. He is the only confirmed presidential candidate for the event.

    AFP spokesman Levi Russell said Cain has spoken at dozens of AFP rallies and events over the years to support a number of the group's activities. AFP has often covered his travel expenses or paid a "pretty modest honorarium" but he has not been paid since becoming a presidential candidate, he said.

    "He's a dynamic, pro-business speaker that connects well with our activists," Russell said. "AFP is a very large organization, and there is a natural overlap between Cain's message of fiscal responsibility and the basic principles that AFP advocates for."

    A spokeswoman for the Koch brothers did not respond to The Associated Press's request for comment on Cain.

    To some liberals, Cain's rise with the help of AFP shows the incredible influence that outside groups controlled by super-wealthy individuals with specific agendas can have on the political process.

    "Herman Cain is the first presidential corporate spokes-candidate," said Scot Ross, a liberal activist who leads One Wisconsin Now, which has often mocked AFP as a front group for corporate interests. "The best way to have your issues talked about in the issue debate is to have a candidate in your pocket with snappy comebacks and easily branded policy papers which mask how destructive they would be."

    AFP's agenda also includes weakening private and public sector unions, opposing environmental regulations and undoing Obama's health care reform law, among other policies. But before the tea party and Obama, Cain worked with AFP on more local issues.

    In 2006, he campaigned all over Wisconsin in support of a proposed constitutional amendment that would have limited state government spending. A slew of officials and analysts said the plan would have ultimately devastated government services, and the Republican-controlled Legislature eventually backed off it.”

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    ………..

    Herman Cain is a huge liar, a deceitful man, that knows he cannot win anything by proclaiming his work with AFP so he cloaks himself in the garments of a pizza business man, and the Koch Brothers are his secret mentors. His avowed, and totally his own personally conceived concoction
    '999’ is nothing but a plagiarized item from a TV gaming company.

    His advisers and aides all come from Americans For Prosperity which is owned by the Koch Brothers who bankroll republicans who are decidedly conservatives and open to being a tool for the Koch Brothers. His other friend is a disgraced, convicted political hawk that was tried and convicted in a lawsuit he settled in 2001 accusing him of illegally coordinating a Wisconsin Supreme Court justice's re-election with an outside group. Block agreed to pay $15,000 and sit out of politics for three years. He is now Cain’s campaign manager.

    Mr. Pizza Man is not who he claims to be, And should have no place in the presidential elections.
     
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    ..... is considered a "radical" position by the author of the piece....

    which is more than enough to toss Mr. R.J. Foley's opinion into the progressive leftist propaganda (*)(*)(*)(*) pile.
     
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    poor baby...cannot stand to hear the truth about one of the republican/T-bagger's candidates, eh?

    Herman Cain himself is trying to steer everyone away from the truth about his being a tool for the Koch Brothers along with most of his advisers, campaign managers, and aides. If anyone can count, 2 plus 2 ALWAYS adds up to 4...Cain is no Pizza Man, he is a tool for the Koch Brothers.
     
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    You, and this Mr. Foley seem to be suggesting...now that Obama has been bought and paid for by special interest groups...unions, bankers, "Green" venture socialists, Solyndra, et al... that the incestuous relationships between special interests and politics is suddenly an exclusive venue occupied only by political opposition....

    which is rather ridiculous, wouldn't you agree?
     
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    I wonder if you have even read my post, because you are being completely superfluous in your replies. My article is about Herman Cain's ties to the Koch Brothers, the America For Prosperity which is owned by Koch Brothers, and Cain's LONG affiliation with the Americans For Prosperity, with many of his managers, aides, and advisers belonging to the AFP, while crassly presenting himself as a 'Pizza Executive'.

    Don't run away from my article, try to answer the obvious questions that arise from it. If what you want is truth then you don't need any subterfuge. If what you want is to skirt the article's truth and decide to smear your president, then please start your own article on it.
     
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    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) the Koch brothers are not some kind of evil cabal attempting to take over or destroy America. Jeez.. this obsession witht Koch brothers is conspiracy theory proportions!

    The Koch Brothers are not "all powerful" and are no threat to America whatsoever.

    While we conservatives can point to:

    George Kaiser, George Soros and any number of people who ACTUALLY INTERFERE IN POLITICS WITH CRONY CAPITALISM.

    Someone show me where the Koch Brothers recieved Crony Capitalism like Kaiser and all the other campaign bundlers of Obamas?

    Liberals are using "green energy" as a cloak to hide glad handing, influence peddling and straight up crony capitalism, but that's okay right?

    The Koch Brothers are not the devil and they don't "own" anyone.

    I want ONE LIBERAL to show me where a Koch Industries subsidiary took a Federal Loan Guarantee AND THEN FAILED MISERABLY COSTING PEOPLE THEIR LIVES AND JOBS LIKE WITH SOLYNDRA. JUST ONE.

    I never once heard of George Kaiser giving tons of money to the liberal arts like museums, conservatories, etc.. the Koch brothers give 10 times as much money to these organizations than their political donations.

    LIBERAL SCAPEGOATING. That is ALL the Koch Brothers represent. A scapegoat for their failed economics.
     
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    I read it...it's typical, self serving leftist propaganda that relies heavily on "the seriousness of the accusation" rather than any actual evidence of unique, illegal or untoward activity.
     
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    You have missed the point of this thread. Cain claims he is an outsider. He's soiled with the money of the Koch criminal oil enterprizes. I wish the Koch Bros. would stop dealing with Iran.

    Cain's no outsider.
     
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    Talk to someone on the left long enough and they'll go back to conspiracies involving Jewish money. Between this and their continued support of negative eugenics, the left today hasn't moved too far from the National Socialist Party days huh.
     
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    So being in Oil and energy is a 'criminal enterprise' now?

    Do you people hate Fossil Fuels that much that you see them as EVIL?
     
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    Cain has navigated the publicly held private sector, and the politics such entails...but he's never held state or federal political office, which... regardless of this leftist propaganda attack piece's assertions and accusations...makes him an "outsider" to the sausage making conducted within.
     
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    Talk to the right long enough and they will begin to believe in one liners that deal with anything you could possibly ask. Completely brainwashed vapid people that willingly spew out the hogwash they are fed....
     
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    No you didn't read it, or simply could not comprehend the deceit, lies, and innuendos from the person highest on your republican/T-bagger list for this week. Please.. please run him as your nominee...he will be chewed to pieces by Obama if he ever makes it that far.

    The republicans I know want a winner, not a lying loser. Pretty Boy Romney would be a better choice, but no one presented as yet will come near beating President Obama.
     
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    Like Obama is "soiled" with the Iranian money of GE and Immelts dealings with Iran? LOL

    The article comes off as desperate and full of conjecture. There are no facts of association.

    That said, the Koch Bros. support of Cain would be a great thing for his campaign as they have very deep pockets and would be an excellent endorsement.
     
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    Neiter is Obama considering his ties to Billionaire bundler Kaiser, you know the Solyandra investor who some how got ahead of the taxpayers getting money back from the bankruptcy.
     
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    National Socialitst Party was a right wing organization. Just because the word socialist is in the name doesn't mean that Hitler was a Socialist. In fact communists were his enemies. Hitler never tried to set up Marxism or socialism in Germany . But the Central theme of the right wing Nazis was the domination of the pure Aryan Race. There was no room for Jews or ethnic russians in his world. They were to be exterminated or enslaved. And unless you're from another planet Jews were extermated by the millions in Hitlers right wing state.
     
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    Herman Cain is a paid tool for the Koch Brothers. After their defeat in Wisconsin the Koch Brothers have struck out in another direction and are maneuvering to control the next president and are grooming Herman Cain as their main man.

    Cain has been connected to the Koch Brothers AFP since before 2002 and he is the best they can come up with that will do their bidding willingly without much compensation or questions.
     
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    Once again you've missed the theme of this thread. Cain claims to be an outsider which is total fabrication. He is in the pockets of the Oily Iranain dealing Koch brothers.
     
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    Can you step back for just one moment smearing your president to stay with the theme of this article? No? Why do you insist on going off topic when it would be much more truthful to address my article.

    Write your own articles on bundling, the Justice Dept. lawsuit concerning Solyandra, and Wall Street using taxpayers' bailout money for bonuses.*

    * intentional
     
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    Here...let me enlighten you before your head explodes....The Koch brothers are conservatives who support potential politicians who espouse conservative ideals....

    Just as George Soros is a far left ideologue who supports politicians and media that espouse far left ideals...

    Your inability to recognize the duplicity in painting one sinister, while ignoring the other, is noted, laughed at, and dismissed as pure, self serving propaganda.
     
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    I was simply comparing the two and how Obama is just a paid puppet for Billionaire bundlers. It sounds exactly the same way you describe Cain. It's called juxtaposition and a sound debate tactic. I know seeing it in writing is an inconvenient truth.
     
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    Why is wanting to keep your earnings a radical position?
     
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    NO. You are spouting conspiracy theory and we're debunking you by pointing out the "conspiracies" within your own camp that are actually costing people their jobs.
     
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    LOL Emotional hyperbole aside, Herman is an outsider. He is the only non career politician and lawyer running.
    That is what makes him an outsider.

    As I mentioned, Hermans campain could use the deep pockets of the Koch Bros. if they decided to support him and wold be an excellent counter balance to the machinations of Soros and his many fronts. Ideologically, they share much in philosophy as far as smaller government and regulations.

    As philanthropists, the Kochs have given hundreds of millions to cancer research including hospitals and medical universities in our country. Maybe Cain was a beneficiary of some of that research when he beat his cancer?

    That greedy corporate cancer research may be Cains connection to the Kochs..... [​IMG]
     

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