Are you and your family members at odds about the President and the Candidates?

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  1. 4Horsemen

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    Mine are. my family members from immediate to distant are torn in many ways on whose the best guy for the Presidency in 2012. Most of my family are dyed-to-the-wool Obama supporters, he can do no wrong with them. then I have a section of family members that are on the fence about who is worthy of the job. then there are some of us that think Ron Paul needs a shot. and a few others who like Cain and Romney.

    So my question is...How can I get my entire family on one page? the Ron Paul page..lol:mrgreen:

    I try to show them videos of him speaking and talking about America, and we also watch Obama and the others talk too. and when I try to compare them all so we can have a decent dialogue it always destructs into finger pointing and name calling about the candidates and obama. Ironically, it's the Obama crowd in my family that always start the arguments that deteriorate the discussions. but I still have everybody at my house so we can watch more videos and past speeches on everybody just to be fair. but still...

    Any info/ideas is appreciated.
     
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    Ron Paul has some decent ideas, some great ideas and some terrible ideas. The fact that he wants to shut down the department of education is a deal breaker for me. I only know a few people who support him. Some people claim to support Herman Cain, until it is revealed that he wants to raise taxes on the average American in order to lower taxes on the wealthiest Americans.
     
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    I've got a little brother who likes to vote republican just to crack the rest of us up, but that's about it. My family's general opinion on Obama is that he's doing about as well as you can expect from a guy in a suit.
     
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    Point taken, but some of the arcaic programs we have in this country need to be torn down and restructured. Right now Teachers have no power anymore. the Liberals have destroyed the classroom setting.
     
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    Is he really trying to crack you up, or make a statement to the family?

    don't blow off that young man's vote. he's onto something:mrgreen:. He sounds a LOT like me right now. give him some ear, you'll see.
     
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    Education in the US has been on a downhill slope for many years. I think certain institutions need to be restructured. It was actually Bush who created "No Child Left Behind" which simultaneously dis-empowered teachers and lowered student expectations in order to drum up higher scores to make the program look like a success. Children need year round schooling and more specialized attention. People often blame it on the teachers, but in reality we have just begun to settle for less out of the children in terms of standards. Combine this with a lack of parent involvement in their children's futures and you see a deeper problem in the US, which is the result of a paradigm of anti-intellectualism...
     
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    Teachers are no longer allowed to fail students, they are no longer allowed to punish students, there is no system in place to advance exceptional students because the funds aren't there. Likewise, students with learning disabilities go unaddressed and are just passed through the system.
     
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    Yes, I am in the same situation. between me and my three immediate family members we might vote for 4 different candidates in the primaries. I have been working on them for the last 2 years, and frankly it's very hard to change someone's opinion on anything. what I've done is I've pointed out that no one candidate is going to align with them on all the issues. I first find out what their most imporatant issues are, and then try to show how paul is better on those issues. this is usually very effective because ron paul is good on a lot of issues. I then find out if they have any deal breaker issues and then rule out candidates on that basis. this is where the problem is. ron paul tends to have more issues where he diverges from the center of the political spectrum, and in general my family has found one (different ones) issue of his that's a deal breaker. in contrast other candidates who don't really line up on any of the issues aren't far enough away on any of the issues to have deal breakers- or scare them away.

    so... I would say just keep pointing out where Ron Paul is really strong on issues that your family members care about, and for those issues they think are deal breakers just try to alleviate their fears that the world will end.

    as it stands, my guess is we'll have paul, obama, santorum and bachmann votes. hopefully bachmann and santorum drop out, then we might have three Pauls!
     
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    I think the only area where he actually agrees with republicans is gun control. He's big on hunting. He's also got some of that "rich people good, poor people bad" mentality that's pretty prevalent in the GOP at the moment, but I'm not sure how it translates into policy for him.
     
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    No....not really. Our family realizes that the right wing kooks are just kooks, and that their odds of actually winning the White House aren't a reality. I've even taught my 10 year old that republicans suck. He said he already knows. Good boy!
     
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    You can go back further than that...1963, when prayer was taken out of schools. Bush didn't single-handedly kill the educatinonal system. this has been a contrived process for decades.

    We are just now seeing the results: teen pregnancy, high drop out rate, etc...
     
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    A cheap labor pool has always been the goal of corporatists. They've succeeded. Not that difficult to comprehend.
     
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    Correction...Globalists.
     
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    Let's just call it a subset of evil.
     
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    I look at the entire field and President and see nobody who supports most of my principles. As a brain trust center left liberal Democrat, I consider myself more enlightened than other constituents that support my party, yet with common sense and a pragmatic attitude. I compare myself to a Clinton Democrat.

    I will never vote Republican because I'm socially liberal, and any deviation towards social conservatism from my perspective is a move towards government legislating all morality. Under Bush, we had the passage of DOMA and NCLB that would circumvent or nullify the full faith and credit clause, as well as infringe upon the reserved power of the states of establishing education requirements.

    If there was another Democratic candidate that was just left of center, I would most likely be voting for them over Obama. The President has moved too far to the left, even for me. However, because I'll never vote Republican, and I consider it my patriotic duty to vote, I'll bite my tongue and vote for Obama.
     
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    Well, what are ya goin' to do.. Vote republican? :puke: LOLOL
     
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    If I have to, I'll write in my name on the ballot.
     
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    Careful if you have electronic voting though. The right wing has been known to hack the software to get their guy in. I'd tell you to get a paper receipt for your vote, but the right won't allow it.
     
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    To say these are problems related to prayer in school is far-fetched.
     
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    Lying again? Dead people voting, encouraging foreign nationals to vote, voting repeatedly, stuffing ballot boxes, deliving voting machines already loaded with votes, getting absentee ballots from people with severe Alzheimers, and the disenfranchisment of the military are all documented, though, and are the province of the socialists.

    Now, your claim that the right wing has been known to hack the software to get their guy in is right up there with alien abductions.
     
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    It happened in 2000, and in 2004. Use your google or www.blackboxvoting.org/
     
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    I'm a bachelor so I really can't relate much to this. Although, I have swayed a few left leaning girlfriends in the past to vote Republican. I can't date a staunch liberal. There's a maturity gap that I just can't deal with. It's like dating an 18 year old that never grows up.



    I'm going to laugh if your kid grows up to be a hardcore conservative in reaction to all the liberal beliefs you pushed on him growing up. I've known people this has happened to.
     
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    Never happen bud. He's smart.
     
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    American workers are undereducated. They don't have the right skills necessary to compete.
     
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    You sound awfully confident. If he's as smart as you say he is, there's a good chance he'll re-examine everything he's been taught at some point. Sure would be a shame if all that intelligence backfired on ya. No?
     

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