The Nuclear Annihilation of Israel?

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    http://news.yahoo.com/israel-test-f...VjA21pdF9zaGFyZQRzbGsDbWFpbAR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3

    http://news.yahoo.com/israel-specul...VjA21pdF9zaGFyZQRzbGsDbWFpbAR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3

    This presents a scary scenario as Iran has its nuclear enrichment facilities, the probably target of an Israeli attack, scattered all over the country with some being underground, such as at Isfahan, which are hardened against conventional attacks including the “block buster” bombs that the United States has previously furnished to Israel. The only possible attack that would be successful is a nuclear attack.

    So what would the US and other nuclear weapons nations authorized by the NPT do in the event of Israel starting a nuclear war against Iran?

    The five nations that are authorized under the NPT to have nuclear weapons have an obligation to the entire world to ensure that any rogue nuclear weapon nation does not start a nuclear war. We cannot allow a nuclear war by any nations and those nations which are authorized to have nuclear weapons must, by all reasonable standards, respond to any nuclear attack with a nuclear response against the attacking nation. I can see no other options available. If the authorized nuclear weapons nations do not respond with nuclear force then nothing prevents any nation from starting a nuclear war.

    Will the US, China, Britain, France and Russia respond with nuclear force if Israel initiates a nuclear war against Iran? That is unquestionably what they would need to do if we are to prevent any nation from starting a nuclear war. And we cannot allow Israel or any other nation to start a nuclear war. The same criteria of “mutually assured destruction” which prevented a nuclear war between the former USSR and the US needs to be in place. If Israel starts a nuclear war in must face the consequences of its total annihilation by a nuclear response. We cannot allow Israel or any nation to use nuclear weapons, period.

    Israel must be warned that any nuclear attack on any nation for any reason is unacceptable and will result in nuclear retalliation against Israel. This matter is way above any other political considerations. Nuclear wars simply can't be allowed and the threat must be real if we are to avoid the total destruction of all life on Earth through nuclear war.
     
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    An interesting thought. I seriously doubt Israel will strike Iran with a nuclear bomb. I do believe that sometime in the future they will destroy Iran's nuclear facilities with conventional weapons.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes,Netanyahu addressed the Knesset and gave a dire warning
    as to any day now,Israel may strike Iran.It's IN the works.
    Don't forget about the secret hit Israel made on a Syrian
    nuclear site back a few years ago { 2007 ? }.That wasn't
    reported for some time.
     
  4. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    It would be impossible for Israel to strike with nuclear weapons and for the world not to know it.

    An attack with conventional weapons would not stop Iran from enriching uranium as several sites are hardened against conventional attacks including those with the 10,000 blockbuster bombs the US has given to Israel. Such an attack which does not take out all of Irans enrichment facilities would unquestionably lead to Iran producing nuclear weapons as a deterant. Even the ability of Israel to strike Iran with nuclear weapons justifies Iran building nuclear weapons as a deterant against such an attack.
     
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    Probably the toughest decision the World has ever faced.

    Shiva's conclusion is most definitely nigh irrefutable ...... and, the conclusion that will probably prevail because of its apparent soundness.

    When I say, "apparent" soundness, there are various degrees of "apparent".

    In this particular case, it's like 98% (?) the correct conclusion !

    However, let me state the other unspoken but absolutely necessary thought on this, literally, "World shaking" issue.

    The alternative thought that one MUST consider (and, probably, every one already did):

    What happens when the Nuclear Bombs are in the hands of a seemingly COMMITTED SUICIDE TYPE BOMBER !!!

    The "committed suicide type bomber" that is bolstered by a whackjob religious fervor of a non-swayable belief that Allah wills the CONTINUOUS JIHAD NO MATTER WHAT THE RISKS !!!

    That when "push comes to shove" doing Allah's work is more important than LIFE itself.

    Yeah, we have the North Korean Super Whackjob Kim Il Jong (or whatever the butthole's name is) who is a certifiable Nutso with his back against the wall ...... but this certifiable Butthole WANTS TO LIVE !!!

    In the final analysis, for this North Korean Super Whackjob, chocolates, whiskey,adoration, or whatever, OVERRIDES extremely possible DEATH.

    This is not the case with RELIGIOUS WHACKJOBS committed to doing Allah's Will.

    Another thought analogous to what is facing most of us sooner, or later (?):

    There is every indication that if the cancer is not excised (with great risk surgery).......you will die. All the cancer experts agree with this conclusion, except the usual one or two "also experts".

    WTF do you do ????

    So, what is MY decision ?????

    The important question is: WHAT IS YOURS ???

    Somebody should take a poll.
     
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    There are 22 bomb sites in Iran..

    Israel has been threatening Iran since 2002.. I think they won't.. Israel is angling for the US to do it for them.
     
  7. Shiva_TD

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    The obvious answer is that we must ensure that this doesn't happen and the first step is to stop nations from producing nuclear weapons that could possibly, albeit unlikely, fall into the hands of a terrorist.

    Each of the NPT member nations have a responsibility to the entire world to stop nuclear proliferation. They have this responsibility and must do everything in their power to prevent it from happening. We saw that happen related to S Africa which had nuclear weapons and eventually dismantled them. We've also seen serious efforts to disarm N Korea which also has nuclear weapons. Even Iran which admittedly doesn't currently have nuclear weapons is being subjected to serious economic sanctions in an effort to keep Iran from ever producing a nuclear weapon.

    Then we have India, Pakistan and Israel that all have nuclear weapons in violation of the NPT and the members of the NPT are doing virtually nothing to force them to dismantle their nuclear arsenals. We're playing politics with something much more dangerous than dynomite and that is foolish. Instead of sending foreign aid and assistance the India, Pakistan and Israel the US, as the greatest military power on Earth, should be leading the world in imposing sanctions that will force these countries to dismantle their nuclear weapons.

    We cannot play political favoritism when it comes to anything as devastating as nuclear weapons.

    I'm not in favor of the nuclear destruction of Israel but if Israel initiates a nuclear war then I believe it's obligatory for the five authorized nuclear nations to immediately counterstrike with nuclear weapons. I don't believe this should be something "kept secret" from Israel or any other nation. The US, China, France, Britian and Russia should issue a joint world-wide announcement that this is exactly what will happen if Israel or any other nation initiates the use of nuclear weapons. It is the only way that I know of to prevent a nuclear war.
     
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    Depending on where you take a poll will determine who is a cancer and who is a human. I got couple of german shephards who fight in exact same way as the two sides here, but not to stray off topic here in this threads instance, clearly Israel is the one barking up to Iran. to try and see it the other way IMO is criminaly ignorant. besides, the debt the axis of good countries are in also suggest that their cancer is within already
     
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    Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. We know that so there is no reason for an attack at all.

    Israel, on the other hand, does have nuclear weapons that need to be destroyed. How many sites would need to be bombed to eliminate the nuclear threat presented by Israel?
     
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    heheheheh.. Israel keeps the pot boiling in order to steal more land and elicit sympathy.. Nothing new.
     
  11. submarinepainter

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    If Iran gets nukes then US, China, Britain, France and Russia should deal with it directly , If they are found to be developing nuclear weapons they should also be the ones to deal with it,
     
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    "Barking up to Iran" .......where Israel is the rabid dog ?!?!?

    Israel fought 5 or 6 wars which would've resulted in its TOTAL ANNIHILATION if it lost......and EACH TIME the aggressor nations survived to whine about THEIR plight !!! ....."BARKING UP TO IRAN !!!......when Israel just recently, publicly, declared nuking Iran's Nuke Facilities whereas Iran DAILY threatens Israel with TOTAL ANNIHILATION of its entire populace FOR YEARS !!!.....

    AND YOU, IN YOUR INFINITE WISDOM, BASICALLY, ALLUDE TO ISRAEL AS THE RABID DOG BARKING AT ITS VICTIM: THE PEACE-LOVING IRAN......WITH WHOM WE ARE & WERE IN ACTUAL WAR IN IRAQ ?!?!?

    You know, sometimes I wonder WTF Planet some of the Political Idiots beam down from !!!!!
     
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    why?

    whats wrong with iran having nukes?
     
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    Wow. Iran needs nuclear power .. they have since the early 1970s.

    Israel is terrified that a neighbor (960 miles away) might be prosprerous and stable.

    Meanwhile..

    http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/175869-israel-ask-u-s-20-billion.html
     
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    hehehehehehe.....:puke: :fart: :puke: to your heheheheheh

    IRAN IS OUR AVOWED ENEMY !!!

    WE HAVE BEEN AT WAR WITH THEM IN IRAQ FOR ~ FIVE YEARS !!!

    WE HAVE 4000+ of our FINEST DEAD !!!!

    Yeah.....and you with your "heheheheheheh..."

    DONCHA GEDDIT ?!?!?
     
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    Wow you are truly living in Unicorn land.

    First off, nuclear war at some point is inevitable.

    Either the Pakis will nuke the Indians or Vice Versa

    The Iranians/Israelis will go at it.

    One or the other will happen, guaranteed, and when that happens the other two parties involved will join in the fun.

    There won't be any point in nuking anyone, there won't be anything left.

    Israel is bluffing and sabre rattling to warn the Iranians off.. and the USA is not going to attack Iran, we'll sit off the coast with our ships and watch things unfold, but Obama is just not that stupid.

    Stop making Iran and the Arabs out to be the innocent victims of Western Aggression, they are not.
     
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    I have no problems with that, if and only if, the very same is said, unequivocally, to Iran, too.
     
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    You think you can prevent a nuclear war by striking Israel with nukes?

    :crazy:

    That's a batsh!t crazy position to hold. Your own posts bely the need to suppress development of nuclear weapons, yet you're without answer wrt how to get Iran to not join Pakistan with illicit nuclear weapons.

    How exactly is hitting the country with the stones to do something about stopping Iran from getting nukes by using a nuclear strike to do so any less batsh!t crazy than your stated desire to actually hit an ally with nukes?

    Iran is a direct threat to Israel, and has stated their desire to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. What would you have Israel do, exactly? With your ridiculous foreign "policy" position, they're focked either way.

    We need to stand with Israel unequivocably, and support the notion of taking out Iran with nuclear weapons if they persist. In fact, if your suggestion would come to public light, you'd extinguish the only positive which could come from Israel stating such a dire position: the possibility of actual deterrence. Do you think Israel publicizes their desire to hit Iran - and their capability - without first desiring that it not be necessary; that merely the ABILITY to do so isn't sometimes sufficient to deter the true antagonist?

    You undermine the effort of deterrence through your belief. It's pure idiocy.

    You think Ahmadinejad has allowed people to check his country to ascertain that nothing is going on there? Nonsense.

    This is the quintessential carrying of a biiig stick. Your position is nonsensical.

    :crazy:
     
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    Nukes need to be secured so terrorist do not get them , I am afraid Iran would just hand them over
     
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    Don't the US, China, Britain, France and Russia, as authorized nuclear weapon nations, also have an obligation to the world community to address the nuclear weapons currently in the possession of nations that are not authorized to have nuclear weapons?

    I agree with many of the actions taken by the NPT members related to Iran and N Korea but highly question why no actions are being taken against Pakistan, India and Israel that are rogue nuclear weapon states.

    Nuclear war is not an option except in response to a nuclear attack. In such a case the five authorized nuclear weapon nations must act immediately. It was the mutually assured destruction (MAD) policy that prevented nuclear war between the US and the USSR and that "assured destruction" is the only means of preventing a nuclear weapon nation from using their nuclear weapons in an attack against another nation. I would go so far as to state that if the United States initiated a nuclear weapon attack against any nation then China, Russia, France and Britian should respond with an all-out nuclear attack of the United States. No nation should be exempted from this retalliation.
     
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    Lovely sentiment, except for the problem with MAD requiring rational people on the other end who don't think there are 72 virgins waiting for them.
     
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    Pakistan and India are known to have nukes but I was unaware that it is known for sure that Israel has them? but I will assume they do. US, China, Britain, France and Russia certainly have an obligation to address the nuclear weapons currently in the possession of nations that are not authorized to have nuclear weapons. But do they have the Balls to do it?
     
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    How do you justify that belief? Iran has had advanced chemical and biological weapons for decades and haven't given them to terrorists. Why would nukes be different?
     
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    It also doesn't protect us from whacko fundamentalist "end of days" nutcases that want to initiate Armageddon.

    Fortunately those that rise to power in a country don't want to lose the power they've gained by committing suicide for themselves and their entire country.
     

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